AKICODW/LJ
Tue, Mar. 20th, 2012 02:38 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
oyceterGah, I just realized FOGcon is only a week or so away!
And since I have profited greatly from posts like this in the past, help me think about what to say at my panel!
I can think of Tehanu off the top of my head, and I remember someone asking for representations of older women in SF/F, not counting immortals, people who do not physically age, and etc., and the list was fairly scanty.
I love DWJ's Howl's Moving Castle, but I've always thought it was odd how Sophie suddenly begins to think like an old woman and how there is no disparity between her own self image and her changed physical image. Maybe this is particularly interesting because I feel we see more of the opposite situation in SF/F: old people in young bodies, thanks to magic/science/alien technology/plot point/etc.
I really like how A:TLA includes multiple kickass old men, but I really wish there were awesome old women as well. The only few we see tend to be on the creepy side, and there's definitely no equivalent of Uncle Iroh.
I wonder how much of A:TLA's old people kicking ass has to do with its martial arts heritage? I think several of the older women I've seen in wuxia movies tend to be the villains, but they have a much greater presence than what I've read in English-language SF/F. Possibly this has to do with the greater number of female martial artists and the whole cameo thing?
Thoughts? Ideas? Anyone?
And since I have profited greatly from posts like this in the past, help me think about what to say at my panel!
Gray is the New Purple
Aging isn’t for the weak of heart. What sf/f works deal with the topic of aging, either positively or negatively? Who gets it right and who should do some homework?
Moderator: Madeleine Robins
Panelists: Phyllis Holliday, Oyceter, Erin Hoffman
I can think of Tehanu off the top of my head, and I remember someone asking for representations of older women in SF/F, not counting immortals, people who do not physically age, and etc., and the list was fairly scanty.
I love DWJ's Howl's Moving Castle, but I've always thought it was odd how Sophie suddenly begins to think like an old woman and how there is no disparity between her own self image and her changed physical image. Maybe this is particularly interesting because I feel we see more of the opposite situation in SF/F: old people in young bodies, thanks to magic/science/alien technology/plot point/etc.
I really like how A:TLA includes multiple kickass old men, but I really wish there were awesome old women as well. The only few we see tend to be on the creepy side, and there's definitely no equivalent of Uncle Iroh.
I wonder how much of A:TLA's old people kicking ass has to do with its martial arts heritage? I think several of the older women I've seen in wuxia movies tend to be the villains, but they have a much greater presence than what I've read in English-language SF/F. Possibly this has to do with the greater number of female martial artists and the whole cameo thing?
Thoughts? Ideas? Anyone?
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Wed, Mar. 21st, 2012 12:33 am (UTC)Women: I'm not sure how much is explicit in the text in terms of aging, but I found it wonderful to watch Sarah Jane adventures and see a middle-aged woman as the heroine.
Peter Beagle's Innkeeper's Song and the side stories set in that universe: we see Lal at several different points in her life, and the effect that age will have/is having on her physically (she's a swordswoman/mercenary) is present at several points.
Nalo Hopkinson, The New Moon's Arms: protagonist is a woman going through menopause, and the hot flashes result in her finding lost objects. Also I think a few of the stories in the Skin Folk collection might apply: Riding the Red and Greedy Choke Puppy both have grandmother protagonists.
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Wed, Mar. 21st, 2012 07:43 pm (UTC)Also, oooo, need to look up the rest, thanks!