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Awwww! William's parents are so cute! Though I am sad by how things ended up. And I want to know: do they still love each other? Does he resent her for not being able to handle the stress, even if he knows it's not logical? Do they write to each other?

I very much like that Mori isn't providing a fairy-tale ending to the Jones' story. I like how quietly and slowly things fall apart, how love doesn't conquer all odds, how things like social expectations and whatnot have an effect, no matter how much people try to make them not matter. It's a nice contrast to the usual "Love conquers all!" schtick that annoys me.

But it also makes me afraid of what will happen with William and Emma. I do not know how it can possibly end well! And oh, they are so cute, and part of my love-triangle-hating heart is mollified by the fact that Eleanor isn't in this much.
(but i still want to whap william because dude! not nice!)

Also, I am a total sucker for letters in fiction.

I'm also glad that Mori isn't keeping Emma and William's relationship a secret; part of this is because I detest love stories that involve sneaking around. Another part is just because the schtick of "Oh no! Will they get caught!" gets really, really old.

In conclusion, Emma running toward William and flinging her arms around him is the cutest thing ever.

Unless the cutest thing ever is Mori Kaoru's author notes at the end ("Lace, lace, corsets, stairs, lace, aprons, aprons, glasses, glasses!").

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Wed, Sep. 19th, 2007 06:23 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] justinelavaworm.livejournal.com
Oh, yes, Lust, Caution despite the really lame title is on my must-see -or-I'll-die list.

So, angels and demons are your bullet-proof kink?

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Wed, Sep. 19th, 2007 06:52 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] justinelavaworm.livejournal.com
The closest I get to bulletproof is girls cross dressing. When I was kid I really loved These Old Shades and the sequel not to mention the Angelique books which I remember as being full of Angelique having to pass as a boy but it is many many years since I read them so I may be misremembering.

Like you it's not really bulletproof because bad writing and scarifying politics will kill it stone cold dead for me.

I kind of like the Doomed Love of Rhett and Scarlett because it's so willful but you believe her blindness and stupidity and that he would finally lose patience with her. I wish the book wasn't so unspeakably racist . . .

I am also a huge fan of Rebecca in Ivanhoe. Though I am disturbed by my kind of wanting her and Bois-Gilbert to get it on. Because he is DREADFUL.

I do have a weakness for books where the love does not work out. But sometimes I feel very alone in that . . .

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Wed, Sep. 19th, 2007 07:26 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] justinelavaworm.livejournal.com
These Old Shades is a gas. It's by a long margin not the best Heyer but it's a lot of fun. I like the sequel too. I just bought the first two Hana Kimi and am very excited to read them. Don't spoil me or say anything about them. All I know is that they're cross dressy.

The great love that does not work out gives me a very strange feeling that I find hard to describe. It's like one part of me is brain washed into desperately wanting the two to walk off into the sunset together and part of the enjoyment of love gone wrong is the weird pulling feeling you get from the love-must-work brainwashing being thwarted. Or something.

Aargh! See? It's so hard to describe what the strange pulling ouch pleasure of tragedy is.

Oh, and yes also on the whole thank God I'm not gay bit. Erk.

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Wed, Sep. 19th, 2007 07:44 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com
I have always wanted to have the guy be strangely attracted to the girl disguised as a guy, and then be freaked out when it turns out that she is actually a girl in disguise, because what he was attracted to was the guy. ZOMG! Is he actually gay?! Or not?! Can he actually be attracted to a woman?! Will this totally shake up his sexual identity?! The angst!

I would totally read that.

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Wed, Sep. 19th, 2007 07:49 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] justinelavaworm.livejournal.com
Now I want to write it! Because it would be DEEPLY awesome. You should do a manga!

I have a feeling it's been written though. (Not that that would stop me from writing it.) It feels SO familiar to me. Though that could be because it happened to me one time. I was fourteen or fifteen and waiting in a fairly sleazy (though not scary) part of Sydney to meet my boyfriend. I was wearing a guy's coat and jeans---pretty much boy clothes---and the coat was big and made me look flat. This guy came up to me and asked me how much. I was shocked and spluttered. And then he looked shocked and spluttered, "Oh my God! I thought you were a boy!" He hurried away very quickly.

Most surreal.

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Fri, Sep. 21st, 2007 07:57 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] marfisa.livejournal.com
There's actually a subplot like that in the lesbian historical romance "Patience and Sarah," where the cross-dressing half of the eventual couple, who frequently passes as a boy (I forget whether it's Patience or Sarah), gets hired as a helper by one of those guys who travels around in a caravan selling allegedly miraculous elixirs to gullible eighteenth- or nineteenth-century townsfolk. Anyway, after a few days of traveling together the guy makes a pass at the cross-dressing girl, whom he thinks is a boy, and she turns him down. He starts sulking and going, "How do you know you don't like it if you've never tried it?," or something to that effect. Finally Patience or Sarah just comes right out and tells him she's female, then asks if he thinks maybe he was picking up on that. The guy is quite definite about that not being it, and is now as thoroughly over his infatuation with the faux-boy assistant as if he'd been doused with a bucket of water.

A year or so later the cross-dressing girl runs into the guy again with his wife and children (yes, he's married--he'd mentioned that to her when they were originally travelling together). It turns out he's told his family all about her--well, not quite all, since according to the sanitized version one of the kids repeats, the apparently bisexual (at least) medicine-peddler discovered that his "boy assistant" was actually a girl when he went to ask if he could borrow the "boy's" razor and caught "him" not quite dressed enough that it was apparent that the "boy" had breasts, or something to that effect. The cross-dressing girl is a bit disconcerted that he told them anything at all, but plays along with his version of the story.

The guy does seem to love his wife and children, so it's not clear whether he's basically gay but managing to get some kind of emotional fulfillment out of the heterosexual relationship despite its not suiting his sexual tastes (and therefore making passes at attractive young men when he's a safe distance from home), or just likes both genders, but only wants to play around with the one he isn't already married to (or something along those lines).

cross-dressing in fiction

Thu, Sep. 20th, 2007 04:29 pm (UTC)
Posted by (Anonymous)
"I think the one thing that bugs me about cross-dressing is when the guy thinks he is attracted to another man OH NOES and is sooo relieved to find that he is not homosexual."

You might find the novel Through A Brazen Mirror by Delia Sherman interesting. One of the things it does is turn that convention on its head.

TNT

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