Angel 5x18 Origin
Wed, Apr. 21st, 2004 10:53 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
oyceterFirst impressions: Yes! Gunn is still in the credits and therefore Not Dead!
And: CONNOR!! Eee, he's so cute and happy ^_^.
I liked Illyria much more in this episode, beating up Spike, wanting him for a pet, and sundry. Although, on a superficial note: did they get AA a new wig or something? It looks different and not that great.
I was extremely creeped out by the Gunn scenes, particularly the one in which he asks for the necklace back. Like with Wesley, Angel or someone should tell him to decide to live instead of slowly die on the inside. It reminds me of the Sandman issue of Orpheus, and Morpheus saying to his son: "She is dead. You are alive. So live." Not the kindest of sentiments, but extremely to the point. Or like Angel said in the episode before, they paid a high price for the knowledge in Gunn's head, and right now they can't even use it.
I can't even begin to go through the layers in this episode (as re last week), the constant mention of family, both real and constructed, obviously hitting a sore spot with Angel for his lost son. Angel has, in a sense, lost his other family as well -- Cordy is dead, and it seems as though Wes is just as good as dead to him. To give Connor a family, Angel has lost two. Also, if I were Angel, I would not be letting Wes go around free range, particularly with Illyria in his custody.
I am finding that I enjoy being unspoiled -- this is the first time ever that I've been unspoiled for Angel or Buffy. Well, I've gone through episodes unspoiled, the most prominent being Grave and the Giles!squee, but this is the first season in which I have no idea what's going on. Part of this is because I started watching Buffy around S5 and sort of skipped around seasons; whereas for Angel, I had read enough fic to know in general where things were going. So Wes dropping the box, whoa. Glued to the screen, hand to my mouth, half afraid that Joss still wasn't going to go there.
But ooo, now I look forward very much to next week and to ramifications! Let there be ramifications galore!
Unfortunately, Connor doesn't seem to be one -- did the barrier prevent the spell from working? Or did 17 odd years of fabricated memory overlaid on painful ones make Connor decide that he forgave his father and that his other family needed him as well? (Haha, I also spent a good portion of the episode wondering how pissed off Masq was going to be!)
Wes doesn't look half as happy to have them back. After watching Eternal Sunshine, I still find myself wondering if there are memories so bad that not having them is better.
Angel's house of cards is tumbling down on him, has been the entire season, and now it's just catching up with him.
And: CONNOR!! Eee, he's so cute and happy ^_^.
I liked Illyria much more in this episode, beating up Spike, wanting him for a pet, and sundry. Although, on a superficial note: did they get AA a new wig or something? It looks different and not that great.
I was extremely creeped out by the Gunn scenes, particularly the one in which he asks for the necklace back. Like with Wesley, Angel or someone should tell him to decide to live instead of slowly die on the inside. It reminds me of the Sandman issue of Orpheus, and Morpheus saying to his son: "She is dead. You are alive. So live." Not the kindest of sentiments, but extremely to the point. Or like Angel said in the episode before, they paid a high price for the knowledge in Gunn's head, and right now they can't even use it.
I can't even begin to go through the layers in this episode (as re last week), the constant mention of family, both real and constructed, obviously hitting a sore spot with Angel for his lost son. Angel has, in a sense, lost his other family as well -- Cordy is dead, and it seems as though Wes is just as good as dead to him. To give Connor a family, Angel has lost two. Also, if I were Angel, I would not be letting Wes go around free range, particularly with Illyria in his custody.
I am finding that I enjoy being unspoiled -- this is the first time ever that I've been unspoiled for Angel or Buffy. Well, I've gone through episodes unspoiled, the most prominent being Grave and the Giles!squee, but this is the first season in which I have no idea what's going on. Part of this is because I started watching Buffy around S5 and sort of skipped around seasons; whereas for Angel, I had read enough fic to know in general where things were going. So Wes dropping the box, whoa. Glued to the screen, hand to my mouth, half afraid that Joss still wasn't going to go there.
But ooo, now I look forward very much to next week and to ramifications! Let there be ramifications galore!
Unfortunately, Connor doesn't seem to be one -- did the barrier prevent the spell from working? Or did 17 odd years of fabricated memory overlaid on painful ones make Connor decide that he forgave his father and that his other family needed him as well? (Haha, I also spent a good portion of the episode wondering how pissed off Masq was going to be!)
Wes doesn't look half as happy to have them back. After watching Eternal Sunshine, I still find myself wondering if there are memories so bad that not having them is better.
Angel's house of cards is tumbling down on him, has been the entire season, and now it's just catching up with him.
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Thu, Apr. 22nd, 2004 09:33 pm (UTC)I have no idea where ME is going to go with this! Part of me thinks Wes is going to go absolutely nuts, and another part thinks he might actually understand.
I love this feeling of not knowing!
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Thu, Apr. 22nd, 2004 10:37 pm (UTC)I have nooooo idea. Poor Wes's track record isn't so great sanity-wise, and I can imagine realizing he's been this messed-with by Angel could drive him right over the edge. Illyria seemed to be watching him very closely in this ep -- was it me or was her "He no longer follows you" spookily triumphant? (I have to wonder how he's going to deal with the memories of Lilah, too....)
I love this feeling of not knowing!
I think it can be diagnosed as "Narrative Suspense Due To Lack of Wildfeeds" ((grin)).
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Sat, Apr. 24th, 2004 01:38 am (UTC)I am really interested in seeing how often ME can make Wes fall apart, and all because of this memory wipe -- Wes falls apart in S3, then redux in S5 with Lineage and then Illyria almost because he doesn't remember, and now that he does again, who knows!
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Sat, Apr. 24th, 2004 11:23 am (UTC)