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I reread these in anticipation of A Conspiracy of Kings coming out in a week or so.

Usual pimpage: For people who haven't read this series, don't read the summaries of the books! The latter ones are spoilery for the previous ones, and this is a series that is very fun to read unspoiled. It has court intrigue, politics, awesome characters, and a romance I love.

Spoilers for the series to date!

I've reread both Queen and King, both in their entireties and the "good parts" reread, but this is the first time I've reread The Thief, which I found a bit underwhelming the first time around. It's still not my favorite of the series, but I was able to enjoy Gen's voice much more. Also, I was very impressed that Turner doesn't cheat in the narrative. Even the parts in which Gen isn't direct made sense to me because of the final conceit of the book as Gen's written-out narrative for Eddis; I can see Gen enjoying the narrative tricks and oblique references.

My jaw dropped several times while rereading, from how early on Turner slips in Gen's obsession with earrings to his mention of hiding things in his hair, and I especially love how he outright says he doesn't want the magus touching his head because of the lump near his neck! I do think that his watching Attolia from years ago was a retcon; there are no clues here that he knows her and sympathizes with her.

Reading all three in a row also helps a lot with the timeline and my sense of the character development. You can see Gen slowly growing more and more daring in his plots, with his theft of Hamiathes' Gift as the first of his truly great plans, culminating finally in his theft of Attolia. His plots in King are good, but they don't have the same risk factor that stealing the Queen of Attolia does, and King is less about his plots and more about flushing him into the open, which is very much not his own plot. One of the things that makes Gen so much more palatable than Lymond is that he is half mastermind and half winging it; his temper tantrums and his sulking and his whining remain even as he begins to mature. It's one of the things that makes me so sad about the ending of King; I love that he is finally acknowledged, but also sad that by truly becoming king, he will undoubtedly lose some of his more trickster-like characteristics.

The other thing I had not caught before was just how much time actually passes in Queen. It's an oddly paced book in some ways, which I hadn't noticed the first time around, but the time is also necessary for Gen to grow up and become someone who can win the heart of Irene.

I'd written before on the gender role swap in the Gen/Irene romance, with Irene as the one who is less emotional and Gen as the one who basically is trying to heal the damage from her angsty backstory. Reading King felt a bit like reading stories of women coming into their own; Gen constantly being underestimated and his schemes being attributed to Irene reminds me a lot of romances in which the heroes never believe the heroine is the mastermind because she is too pretty/airheaded/whatever. But then there is Irene's shaky position as queen because she is female, and oh, even though I love Gen as king, I dearly hope we see more of Irene ruling as well. Because although I love Gen in King, one of my favorite things about the book is not Gen. It's getting to see the country and the court Irene created, fighting tooth and nail the entire way, and how those closest to her love her even when they fear her. It's seeing how she too commands loyalty despite thinking she is utterly alone, and that's why even though I love seeing Gen acknowledged by the Attolians, I also selfishly hope that more of them recognize the awesome (and scary!) queen they have as well.

And though I want more of Irene, part of me is also glad that we see so little of her, because that's of course how nearly everyone experiences her, and it's very much like how little Lymond actually shows up in the Lymond Chronicles, despite being the titular character. (Okay, I say this, but I do want more Gen/Irene scenes. They are so cute! Her way of saying "I love you" is "Take my wine" and trying to execute everyone who didn't guard him! It is so Saiyuki!)

I'm curious also as to where the series is going. Clearly Sounis, Attolia, and Eddis will end up uniting somehow, probably with Gen as Annux, but in many ways, I kind of hope Gen doesn't end up being king of kings. He hates being king so much, and I miss thief Gen too. Also, I want to see Attolia and Eddis ruling more.

Sidenote: how does the naming work? In King, Gen's title is "Attolis," so the subtext is that -is endings are masculine and -ia endings are feminine, but then why is Eddis "Eddis" and not "Eddia"? She is called queen, and it seems that her husband will be king of Eddis from what the magus was planning in Thief, so her position doesn't seem that different from Attolia's.

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Mon, Mar. 15th, 2010 11:08 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] jonquil
Oh, interesting question re names!

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Mon, Mar. 15th, 2010 11:15 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] cofax7
why is Eddis "Eddis" and not "Eddia"?

Um. There's a short story by Turner (at the back of King? I think that's where I read it.) that explains this. Basically when Eddis (whose real name I memfault on) was a child, she took an overnight trip to a wild valley where there was an abandoned temple, and she met (sort of in dreams) several of the gods including Eugenides. And in the dream they call her "Eddis", even though she's at that time third in line. She forgets the dream until the day she inherits the throne, and then announces that she will be Eddis, not Eddia.

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Mon, Mar. 15th, 2010 11:35 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] meganbmoore
Eddis's real name is Helen. She and Attolia had a discussion about it. Possibly while they were winning a war and kinda forgot all about Gen. (First read them last year, so it's fairly fresh on my mind.)

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The gods tell her she'll be the last Eddis, too.

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Posted by [personal profile] meganbmoore
"OMG I was passed out for 5 minutes! Where is my wife? Who is making sure my wife doesn't execute 20 people!?!"

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Mon, Mar. 15th, 2010 11:39 pm (UTC)
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I adore how embarrassed everybody in the court is by Attolia and Gen actually being in love. It's so... icky.

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Tue, Mar. 16th, 2010 01:16 am (UTC)
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I'm so glad you mentioned A Conspiracy of Kings is coming out! I love this series and didn't know the next installment was forthcoming. :)

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Tue, Mar. 16th, 2010 02:52 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] quivo
I know right? I'd been fresh off another reread when I found out that there was going to be a new book, and I was like O_O WANT

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Tue, Mar. 16th, 2010 02:48 am (UTC)
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Yes, thanks for reminding me to get on the wait list at the library for Conspiracy. I would like to do a reread, but I don't know if I can line up all the books. And Thief was not all that interesting.

See, I long for Gen to be able to go home. Ahem. Yes I have issues. But I felt it such a tragedy that he had to stay in that awful court and work things out. And I still can't get over the arm cutting off.

Based on your vague references to Lymond, which I have not read, are you recommending it as something similar to this?

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Tue, Mar. 16th, 2010 03:13 am (UTC)
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Based on your vague references to Lymond, which I have not read, are you recommending it as something similar to this?

HAHAHAHA NO.

Sorry. The Lymond Chronicles are really brilliant in a really annoying way, and my pre-new-book Attolia reread has confirmed for me that I should just get rid of my copies of Dunnett because the idea of it irritates me far too much for me to devote shelf space to the series.

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to expand on Mely's response:

Tue, Mar. 16th, 2010 03:28 am (UTC)
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I have great fondness for the Lymond Chronicles, but Francis Crawford of Lymond is like a WAY LESS SYMPATHETIC, and far more capable and bloodthirsty (and self-pitying) version of Gen. He's the classic tortured and brilliant hero that nobody understands, woe!, except for the female fans who eat him up with a spoon because we read the series at an impressionable age. *Ahem*.

I think the writing and characterization and plotting in the novels is (with some exceptions) top-rate, but many people who come to the series as adults have trouble with Lymond, and it's perfectly understandable why.

I can't see getting rid of my copies, though. The Niccolo books, maybe; but not the Lymond ones.
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Tue, Mar. 16th, 2010 05:17 am (UTC)
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Oh, you're making me want to do a reread! I too was unimpressed by The Thief, but then SHIT GETS REAL in Queen of Attolia, and I was smitten. I adore Gen/Irene, and I especially adore the gender role swap. I basically just want to watch Gen and Irene being ruthless and competent and awesome forever.

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Tue, Mar. 16th, 2010 01:31 pm (UTC)
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So do you know how old Gen _is_ in King? I didn't notice on my first read, and while I re-read _Thief_ (looks much better that way), I'm not sure I have time for the other two before _Conspiracy_ comes out.

I do admire the way the author isn't afraid to do different things, and weird ones too!

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Tue, Mar. 16th, 2010 03:15 pm (UTC)
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You are making me TOTALLY want to reread these.

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Tue, Mar. 16th, 2010 05:40 pm (UTC)
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Hmm, I wonder if we will get much more development with the Gen, Eddis and Attolia, because they're not the protagonists of the new book, according to the blurb.

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Tue, Mar. 16th, 2010 06:13 pm (UTC)
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Looks like you're right. I'm guessing (although I have always been intrigued by the previously-offstage main character) that as far as the overarching theme goes, this book is a necessary building block; we haven't seen the last of plots focused on Gen and Attolia. If Eddis isn't intimately involved in this one, I'll be shocked.

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Tue, Mar. 16th, 2010 11:15 pm (UTC)
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Do you guys know about Sounis, a fan site on LiveJournal? It's pretty awesome! In case you want to discuss these books even more. Your discussions mirror some of ours pretty closely!

~tiegirl (in Sounis)

congratulation

Thu, Mar. 18th, 2010 04:47 pm (UTC)
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