Wiscon 31: General impressions and notes
Tue, May. 29th, 2007 12:08 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
oyceterThis felt very different from my first Wiscon, and a lot of it was because of the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of DOOM from last year.
Reading last year's post, the most notable things were how out of place and how voiceless I felt. Part of it was because it was my first Wiscon, part of it was because it was the first time I'd met several LJ people in person, part of it was because I don't have the same SF/F reading background that a lot of people do, and part of it was because I was Asian.
This year, I knew the rough format, I was on two panels, and I was meeting several people again. Also, more people who I've hung out with in person went too. But for me, the largest difference was that I was still pissed off from last year and determined not to have that happen again. I admittedly had a bit of a "fuck it all, why not?" attitude; I figured it was going to end up being public here on LJ anyway, and if I was going to start the next big flamewar, I might as well speak up at a few things as well ;). The other really major factor was that I (and several other people I talked to, POC and white) felt that there was a larger percentage of POC at the con.
Race: I did my POC count again this year, as did![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
coffeeandink, but I think we both stopped around the second day. I was having a hard time keeping track of whom I'd seen before, as was she, and there was also the problem of people who weren't visibly POC but were POC nevertheless, including but not limited to mixed-race people. I was trying to get info off people's nametags, but it's really hard to do that when you're walking through hallways. I got up to about twenty on the first day; my vague but completely unsubstantiated count is approximately equal between Asian and black, though a lot of the Asians were from Japan for the Sense of Gender award. I didn't note as many Latinos or Native Americans or mixed-race people, but this is probably because of the visibility issue and entirely my bad. So given that it was up to around 20 on the first day and that there were probably more at the con, I think the numbers were higher than last year. I think someone (coniraya?) said that the official count was around 50.
I mean, it's still not California, but it's better than the year before, and that matters.
For anyone wondering, I count because I am tired of standing out as the sole Asian or one of the sole Asians in fandom, on LJ, at cons, and in gatherings of friends. I also count not to have some sort of a quota, but because more POC means feeling safer for even more POC, which means that maybe more will keep coming. And I think that also matters, a lot.
My other note was that I went to 8 panels, 4 of which consisted of 50% or more POC panelists. Every panel I went to except one had at least one POC on it. I am sure my stats are skewed because I deliberately sought out panels that dealt with race, racism and nationality, though I actually didn't even go to all the panels that dealt with those subjects. The four 50% or more POC panelist panels also had a pretty strong POC audience attendance, which really changed the dynamics of the room. I think the difference was most obvious between the Cultural Appropriation panel and the discussion afterward.
But the absolute best thing was a hallway conversation in which bothstarkeymonster, coniraya, and ladyjax said that they had deided to come specifically because of the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of DOOM from last year, and that they thought several other POC had made that same decision. *flails* CAPSLOCK CANNOT EXPRESS MY GLEE! And I wonder if that's why it felt as though there were more panels dealing with issues of race and colonialism and etc. this year; vito_excalibur (who was the one responsible for the Best Panel Title Ever) told me that she had suggested panels as a reaction to the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of DOOM as well. Happiness! Really!! I in no way take credit for this; it is so much bigger than me, but it is just SO COOL to think that some posts on LJ actually managed to have some influence an entire year after the fact. And maybe next year, more POC will be able to think of Wiscon as a safe space as well so we can have even more panels that go beyond Racism 101.
ETA (entire section): Otherness: I think I mentioned to Mely how other I still felt at Wiscon, though to be fair, I felt much less other than I did the first year. A lot of this probably stems from always feeling a little out of synch with most people; if it's not the TCK-ness, it's race; if not race, then gender; if not that, then my very left-leaning politics. In the Wiscon community, it's interesting because I'm actually not much of an SF fan at all; most of what I've read is fantasy. I'm a bit of a media fan, and then there's the entire anime/manga thing.
On the other hand, it really wasn't as strange as it was last year; many of the panels I went to were generally political or referred heavily to media fandom. Either that, or I've hung around the SF/F and media fandom enough to pick up references by osmosis; I still haven't seen or read the things in question, but I can at least identify what people are talking about and in what context.
Fooding: I had Indonesian the first night; it was a little out of the way, but entirely worth it. I had a ground beef mixed with other things wrapped in a thin dough and deep-fried (you can't go wrong with deep-friend dough), and a nut-encrusted crabcake.coffeeandink also had the beef appetizer and soup with sliced hard-boiled eggs, jinian had this really tasty breaded catfish with an Indonesian curry sauce, and daedala had stir-fried beef. Later on in the con, I also got to have Nepalese (samosas! momocha! a main course whose name I can't remember!), midnight pierogies, and Laotian (tasty duck curry! fried bread with dipping sauce!). I didn't get to have as much tasty food as I wanted too but I did manage to eat mostly everything from the farmer's market. Squeaky cheese curds in my fridge as I type!
Book loot: I left with nine more books than I came with. This is largely because Mely pulled me aside in the dealer's room, saying, "There are used books for a dollar! I have recommendations." I probably should have recognized the missionary zeal in her eyes and shielded myself, except I am weak against personalized recommendations and dollar books.oracne was also no help at all: "Books for a dollar!"
I ended up getting: The Rains of Eridan by H.M. Hoover, The Book of the Night by Rhoda Lerman, Snow-Eyes by Stephanie A. Smith, The Woman Who Loved the Moon by Elizabeth A. Lynn, Imaginary Lands (anthology), The Jaws of Menx by Ann Maxwell, Walkabout Woman by Michaela Roessner, Of Tales and Enigmas by Minsoo Kang, and L. Timmel Duchamp's The Wiscon Chronicles vol. 1 anthology.
Aside from some authors in the anthology, the Duchamp and the Maxwell, I haven't read anything by the above authors or even heard of them. Wait, come to think of it, Michaela Roessner might be the author of the Renaissance food porn booksrachelmanija brought to Taiwan, but I'm not certain. I bought the Wiscon anthology despite already having read Mely and Yoon's essays in their LJs because I am egotistical.
More awesomeness: On our way back from dinner,jinian managed to come up with an awesome-sounding flower of DOOM off the top of her head, except I of course have now completely forgotten it. But it was trumpet-like and poisonous! *pokes Jinian for more* She also made me an "Oyce is cool!" sign to counteract first-time panel nerves!!!! Words cannot describe the awesomeness.
Sometime late Sunday night, I learned fromvito_excalibur that there is a historical Chinese pirate queen. I have promptly forgotten all details except: CHINESE PIRATE QUEEN! How cool is that?!
Next time I will be more proactive about making people eat meals with me and talking with me; Jinian was smart enough to arrange things via email, and I managed to grablittlebutfierce to another dinner, but not really anyone else.
In conclusion: I had tons of fun, my brain only exploded once or twice, I met lots of cool people who I had only seen before online, I ate a lot, and I wish it were next year already! I must remember to submit a panel idea for something on shoujo manga, because I was very sad about only being able to talk manga with a few people.
Reading last year's post, the most notable things were how out of place and how voiceless I felt. Part of it was because it was my first Wiscon, part of it was because it was the first time I'd met several LJ people in person, part of it was because I don't have the same SF/F reading background that a lot of people do, and part of it was because I was Asian.
This year, I knew the rough format, I was on two panels, and I was meeting several people again. Also, more people who I've hung out with in person went too. But for me, the largest difference was that I was still pissed off from last year and determined not to have that happen again. I admittedly had a bit of a "fuck it all, why not?" attitude; I figured it was going to end up being public here on LJ anyway, and if I was going to start the next big flamewar, I might as well speak up at a few things as well ;). The other really major factor was that I (and several other people I talked to, POC and white) felt that there was a larger percentage of POC at the con.
Race: I did my POC count again this year, as did
coffeeandink, but I think we both stopped around the second day. I was having a hard time keeping track of whom I'd seen before, as was she, and there was also the problem of people who weren't visibly POC but were POC nevertheless, including but not limited to mixed-race people. I was trying to get info off people's nametags, but it's really hard to do that when you're walking through hallways. I got up to about twenty on the first day; my vague but completely unsubstantiated count is approximately equal between Asian and black, though a lot of the Asians were from Japan for the Sense of Gender award. I didn't note as many Latinos or Native Americans or mixed-race people, but this is probably because of the visibility issue and entirely my bad. So given that it was up to around 20 on the first day and that there were probably more at the con, I think the numbers were higher than last year. I think someone (coniraya?) said that the official count was around 50. I mean, it's still not California, but it's better than the year before, and that matters.
For anyone wondering, I count because I am tired of standing out as the sole Asian or one of the sole Asians in fandom, on LJ, at cons, and in gatherings of friends. I also count not to have some sort of a quota, but because more POC means feeling safer for even more POC, which means that maybe more will keep coming. And I think that also matters, a lot.
My other note was that I went to 8 panels, 4 of which consisted of 50% or more POC panelists. Every panel I went to except one had at least one POC on it. I am sure my stats are skewed because I deliberately sought out panels that dealt with race, racism and nationality, though I actually didn't even go to all the panels that dealt with those subjects. The four 50% or more POC panelist panels also had a pretty strong POC audience attendance, which really changed the dynamics of the room. I think the difference was most obvious between the Cultural Appropriation panel and the discussion afterward.
But the absolute best thing was a hallway conversation in which both
starkeymonster, coniraya, and ladyjax said that they had deided to come specifically because of the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of DOOM from last year, and that they thought several other POC had made that same decision. *flails* CAPSLOCK CANNOT EXPRESS MY GLEE! And I wonder if that's why it felt as though there were more panels dealing with issues of race and colonialism and etc. this year; vito_excalibur (who was the one responsible for the Best Panel Title Ever) told me that she had suggested panels as a reaction to the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of DOOM as well. Happiness! Really!! I in no way take credit for this; it is so much bigger than me, but it is just SO COOL to think that some posts on LJ actually managed to have some influence an entire year after the fact. And maybe next year, more POC will be able to think of Wiscon as a safe space as well so we can have even more panels that go beyond Racism 101.ETA (entire section): Otherness: I think I mentioned to Mely how other I still felt at Wiscon, though to be fair, I felt much less other than I did the first year. A lot of this probably stems from always feeling a little out of synch with most people; if it's not the TCK-ness, it's race; if not race, then gender; if not that, then my very left-leaning politics. In the Wiscon community, it's interesting because I'm actually not much of an SF fan at all; most of what I've read is fantasy. I'm a bit of a media fan, and then there's the entire anime/manga thing.
On the other hand, it really wasn't as strange as it was last year; many of the panels I went to were generally political or referred heavily to media fandom. Either that, or I've hung around the SF/F and media fandom enough to pick up references by osmosis; I still haven't seen or read the things in question, but I can at least identify what people are talking about and in what context.
Fooding: I had Indonesian the first night; it was a little out of the way, but entirely worth it. I had a ground beef mixed with other things wrapped in a thin dough and deep-fried (you can't go wrong with deep-friend dough), and a nut-encrusted crabcake.
coffeeandink also had the beef appetizer and soup with sliced hard-boiled eggs, jinian had this really tasty breaded catfish with an Indonesian curry sauce, and daedala had stir-fried beef. Later on in the con, I also got to have Nepalese (samosas! momocha! a main course whose name I can't remember!), midnight pierogies, and Laotian (tasty duck curry! fried bread with dipping sauce!). I didn't get to have as much tasty food as I wanted too but I did manage to eat mostly everything from the farmer's market. Squeaky cheese curds in my fridge as I type!Book loot: I left with nine more books than I came with. This is largely because Mely pulled me aside in the dealer's room, saying, "There are used books for a dollar! I have recommendations." I probably should have recognized the missionary zeal in her eyes and shielded myself, except I am weak against personalized recommendations and dollar books.
oracne was also no help at all: "Books for a dollar!" I ended up getting: The Rains of Eridan by H.M. Hoover, The Book of the Night by Rhoda Lerman, Snow-Eyes by Stephanie A. Smith, The Woman Who Loved the Moon by Elizabeth A. Lynn, Imaginary Lands (anthology), The Jaws of Menx by Ann Maxwell, Walkabout Woman by Michaela Roessner, Of Tales and Enigmas by Minsoo Kang, and L. Timmel Duchamp's The Wiscon Chronicles vol. 1 anthology.
Aside from some authors in the anthology, the Duchamp and the Maxwell, I haven't read anything by the above authors or even heard of them. Wait, come to think of it, Michaela Roessner might be the author of the Renaissance food porn books
rachelmanija brought to Taiwan, but I'm not certain. I bought the Wiscon anthology despite already having read Mely and Yoon's essays in their LJs because I am egotistical.More awesomeness: On our way back from dinner,
jinian managed to come up with an awesome-sounding flower of DOOM off the top of her head, except I of course have now completely forgotten it. But it was trumpet-like and poisonous! *pokes Jinian for more* She also made me an "Oyce is cool!" sign to counteract first-time panel nerves!!!! Words cannot describe the awesomeness. Sometime late Sunday night, I learned from
vito_excalibur that there is a historical Chinese pirate queen. I have promptly forgotten all details except: CHINESE PIRATE QUEEN! How cool is that?!Next time I will be more proactive about making people eat meals with me and talking with me; Jinian was smart enough to arrange things via email, and I managed to grab
littlebutfierce to another dinner, but not really anyone else. In conclusion: I had tons of fun, my brain only exploded once or twice, I met lots of cool people who I had only seen before online, I ate a lot, and I wish it were next year already! I must remember to submit a panel idea for something on shoujo manga, because I was very sad about only being able to talk manga with a few people.
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Tue, May. 29th, 2007 07:58 am (UTC)Gah! It sounds like so much fun!
Perhaps the Chinese pirate queen that Vito mentioned was Lai Choi San? (Rumored to be the inspiration for the Dragon Lady in "Terry and the Pirates," although of course she wasn't actually called the Dragon Lady IRL, but "Queen of the Macao Pirates.")
OMG, she doesn't have a Wikipedia entry. LAME. I might have to fix that. Anyway, I have one book that mentions her, "Booty: Queen of the Female Pirates," by Sara Larimer. She mostly sailed in the South China Sea & Pearl River in the 1920s and 30s, had a reputation for seriousness and cruelty (as opposed to all the jolly fun-loving pirates, I guess) commanded a fleet of twelve junks, and insisted on commanding all pirate raids herself. :)
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Tue, May. 29th, 2007 06:10 pm (UTC)Hmm. Not much on her online. There's a lot more juicy details in the pirate histories I was reading, including that she ended up so powerful that the government had to cut a deal with her, and she retired wealthy and opened a casino (well, the Asian 1800s equivalent) and died peacefully and old.
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Tue, May. 29th, 2007 11:53 am (UTC)I really think you can take some of the credit. Seriously. You did a hard thing, and it made a difference.
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Tue, May. 29th, 2007 04:02 pm (UTC)(They [or some subset of They]) also know who I am, which I find entirely disconcerting. But that's a subject for another post.)
Katie, I wore the zombies t-shirt on Saturday, and nobody even blinked. *grin*
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Tue, May. 29th, 2007 12:55 pm (UTC)Chinese pirate queen--Ching Shih? She's in the Idiot's Guide to Pirates book I have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih
I wish I'd gotten to see you more. I don't think I saw enough of anyone. I guess that always happens.
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Tue, May. 29th, 2007 05:37 pm (UTC)I know, I wish I got to see you more too... Next time we will be better with farmer's market stuff ^_^.
Oh! I will be in NYC for fourth of July, though I don't know if you will be around then?
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Tue, May. 29th, 2007 01:37 pm (UTC)http://fotomaya.com/flora_datura.html
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Tue, May. 29th, 2007 06:14 pm (UTC)If you like Ann Maxwell at all, you must run not walk to Fire Dancer and sequels, which go zzzap! to Rachel's id. The last two survivors (OR ARE THEY!!) from their planet's flaming DOOM are a woman with the power to control fire and other types of energy, and her very manly yet tender catboy companion, with the power to control her power if it gets out of hand. (This is not unique to them, but standard for their planet.)
Together, they fight racism, perform as a circus act, search for other members of their species so their races won't die out, and simmer with smoldering sexual tension.
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Tue, May. 29th, 2007 08:31 pm (UTC)Does anyone know why she didn't write more in that series??
Oh well, I also like her Elizabeth Lowell writing. Mostly.
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Wed, May. 30th, 2007 12:47 am (UTC)I agree, I do think that POC numbers were up! Although, yes, low numbers of Asians if you count out the Sense of Gender folks.
And yeah, I'm sure my unofficial tally would be off too, due to mixed-race folks I may not have gotten (ha ha, it's like when I do the Dyke March & Pride March annually w/the queer Asian group I'm w/, & we give out flyers, & I always want more mixed-race folks around, but I'm paranoid about misidentifying them!).
And thank you for the dinner invite! It was lovely. :) You really must read Culture on Ice!!
Oh--& re: Michaela Roessner--I enjoyed the 1st book in that series (? Are there more than two?), but for whatever reason even the foodiness wasn't enough to make the 2nd one enjoyable for me. Dreadful.
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Wed, May. 30th, 2007 02:57 am (UTC)I think I wasn't in a rush to get through the first one because the writing just didn't agree with me, despite the luscious food descriptions.
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Wed, May. 30th, 2007 03:46 am (UTC)I cannot express how gleeful that makes me. Just by the simple act of talking about it, the message has been sent that SF, or at least Wiscon, is a safe(er) space. That tells me to keep talking about it. And keep talking about it. And keep talking about it.
Great meeting you in person at last! I tried not to squee too much.
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Wed, May. 30th, 2007 04:36 pm (UTC)Eeee are you kidding? I was melting into the floor!
I cannot express how gleeful that makes me. Just by the simple act of talking about it, the message has been sent that SF, or at least Wiscon, is a safe(er) space. That tells me to keep talking about it. And keep talking about it. And keep talking about it.
Yes and yes and yes! I was so boggled by that in the best of ways, that a bunch of LJ posts from a year ago had made a notable difference in people's con experience! Also, it makes me want to go "Neener!" to people who say things like, "Well, why don't you worry about world hunger instead of a silly LJ argument," because fighting it on all fronts matters.
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Wed, May. 30th, 2007 06:50 am (UTC)On pirates there is Ching Hsi Kai but there is also some legend from way earlier. She had a giant floating nation of thousands of people and the best part is she didn't die... I mean she was not defeated. Unless she is secretly ALSO A VAMPIRE she has got to be dead by now.
I was wishing for the CA#1 panel to be more about specific examples of appropriation and analysis of etc. etc. But it was still good as it was, an extended "It's complicated, here's why." Transcript up on the wiki, http://wiki.feministsf.net/index.php?title=Cultural_Appropriation_Revisited_Part_One
I missed some of what you said in your comment, because of background noise. If you can remember what you talked about, do add it into the transcript (and feel free to email me if you want help using the wiki)
I totally expected to hear some ripping into Ryman's "Air" as an interesting example of appropriation. For one thing after last year I heard so many people's reactions to it which went like "And I loved how the other culture was so realistic to which I had to say both "How do you know" and "Why do you think so?" Maybe this happened already online during the DOoM times and I missed it.
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Wed, May. 30th, 2007 04:42 pm (UTC)OMG! More pirates! That is so awesome!
Mmm, yeah, it would have been really nice if the CA#1 panel could have discussed specific examples of appropriation, good and bad, or mixed bag. One of the things I find really frustrating is that I keep looking for Asian fantasies or SF, but I also avoid them when I find them unless they're highly recommended, just because I've been hit with so many stupid stereotypes in the past.
I wish I could comment more on Air; I think I got 3/4ths through it and just never finished for some reason.
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Thu, May. 31st, 2007 12:13 am (UTC)I have to admit that this was my first-ever WisCon and the Great Cultural Appropriation Debate of DOOM from last year's WisCon did initially spark my, "Hey, maybe there are some interesting discussions going on there that I should check out," interest.
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Thu, May. 31st, 2007 05:31 pm (UTC)Alas, I have no idea about the phrase for "what these people need is a honky."
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Thu, May. 31st, 2007 03:37 am (UTC)[raises hand] Not a POC, but otherwise, same here. The Cultural Appropriation DOOM from last year was the first thing that really distinguished WisCon in my head as a particular, individual con, instead of one name in the blur of cons that people on lj go to and report back on. And it told me that WisCon was somewhere such conversations were taking place, and that with you and the other awesome people I read on lj involved in them, they couldn't be completely head-explodey. :-)
So you can add one more to your tally!
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Thu, May. 31st, 2007 05:32 pm (UTC)Yay! That is really cool! (also, hi again!)