Angel 5x08 Destiny again

[oyceter]

Squeee!!!

Ok. Am done now.

But seriously, I kept thinking Eve was getting naked and she was going to be Lilah underneath somehow! Then I thought she was going to crawl into bed with Lilah (Lilith and Eve sleeping together has a good sort of resonance for me). Someone (shadowkat67?) had a good point about Lindsey always being associated with the Shanshu prophecy, and now that's he's turned up, it's also finally become the center attention for the first time in forever.

I so thought Spike was going to turn human. I still think he might (see my post-Chosen post).

So awesome being a long-time viewer! Many past episode references -- the entire thing with Buffy, Spike coming up from behind Angel to whack him with a giant metal rod, of course all the flashback eps, the tension in S2 in the triangle of Angel-Spike-Dru, the Yoda thing. Also, Gunn going mad and strangling Eve and Fred clocking him with a fire extinguisher: Billy. I kind of wish Wes had been there to see what he would have done. I didn't catch that Sirk was the guy Lilah picked as Wes' guide in Home, but another cool little detail. More prophecy mistranslation, more Angel distrusting prophecy and destiny. Spike, the grand screwer-upper of destiny. The "toner" in blood reminded me of Conversations with Dead People.

I shivered when each vamp pulled the most painful thing he could say about Buffy out. Somehow, I think Buffy would kick the crap out of both of them for that.

I really liked the Gunn and Spike vibe. Wonder if all that unseen bonding was in the bathroom?

Eve needs to die. Preferrably as a sacrifice to the higher powers who are hopefully manipulating her and Lindsey. If not, she needs to stop expositioning. Generally, I save yelling at the TV screen to Alias, but the boy's roommate must have thought I was nuts, because every two seconds: "Shut UP, Eve!"

I also liked really small things, like how Dru was wearing the same lacy gloves she wore in LMPTM.

I wonder if Angel is thinking in the back of his head that Wes mistranslated the Shanshu prophecy and somehow betrayed him again without meaning to. Guh.

I need to get Eve/Lilah out of my head. Really.

Apparently, this post isn't more coherent by much at all!

Comments

Yep agree on much of this...

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Also taking credit on being the one who noted Lindsey was
at the center of the Shanshu Prophecy - as far back as Blind Date S1.

I so thought Spike was going to turn human. I still think he might (see my post-Chosen post).

I do too. Although I was skeptical about it happening in this episode - too early.

Why? Because turning Spike human is the worste thing they could do to both Angel and Spike. We all know why it'd be the worste thing they could do to Angel. But why Spike? Simple - Spike deep down fears the human part of himself, the pathetic William. He thinks he wants it. But at the same time - it's what he thrilled in moving away from.
That's why I think they'll do it. The trick in writing a good horror yarn is to always to come up with the worste thing you can do to a character (besides killing them) and then actually do it.


Eve needs to die. Preferrably as a sacrifice to the higher powers who are hopefully manipulating her and Lindsey. If not, she needs to stop expositioning. Generally, I save yelling at the TV screen to Alias, but the boy's roommate must have thought I was nuts, because every two seconds: "Shut UP, Eve!"

Me too. This actress is just annoying. Oh well - she's only signed for six episodes, hopefully she'll be gone soon.

Re: Yep agree on much of this...

[oyceter]

I think so too. Plus, Angel suffers. Angel always suffers. I can't see him getting a shanshu unless it's at the very end of the series. It's been picked up for S6 right? Please? ;) And not only is a shanshu one of the scariest things they could do for Spike, it's also one of the most painful things they could do to Angel. Personally, I also think it fits in with Spike's MO, being Mr. Anti-Destiny and all (imho). Spike messes up the order of things while Angel is generally thick inside the order of things (Home vs. Chosen).

I think it's kind of funny how the shanshu has got both fan factions debating on who's worthier for a shanshu, because honestly, I don't care. I want the plot line that causes the most damage to both characters, being the slight sadist that I am ;). Plus, good watching.

She's only signed on for six episodes?! Whoo!

Re: Yep agree on much of this...

[shadowkat67.livejournal.com]

Regarding a Season 6? Too early to tell. But the outlook is good, since WB really doesn't have much at the moment. And ATS has held it's own in the age demographic on a tough night.

And not only is a shanshu one of the scariest things they could do for Spike, it's also one of the most painful things they could do to Angel. Personally, I also think it fits in with Spike's MO, being Mr. Anti-Destiny and all (imho). Spike messes up the order of things while Angel is generally thick inside the order of things (Home vs. Chosen).

Exactly. The reason I think spike will turn human is all of the above - 1) chaotic element (which we saw in Destiny)
2) it's the worste and most painful thing they could do to Spike and 3) it's the worste and most painful thing they could do to Angel.

The other reason is Spike's journey is about dealing with William - the bloody awful poet inside, or the demon with the man, while Angel's journey in a way is dealing with Angelus, the demon inside. They are mirror opposites of each other. It's great!

I think it's kind of funny how the shanshu has got both fan factions debating on who's worthier for a shanshu, because honestly, I don't care. I want the plot line that causes the most damage to both characters, being the slight sadist that I am ;). Plus, good watching.

Completely agree. Feel the same way.

Re: Yep agree on much of this...

[oyceter]

Ooo, I like the William vs. Spike and Angelus vs. Angel idea. More dark mirrors (and mirrors of the mirrors? huh)