Veronica Mars 1x21-1x22
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oyceterSpoilers for everything. Not separating out the two episodes.
1x21-1x22
1. I hate Lianne with a passion. I mean, I was dealing with her having an affair and hurting Keith and making Veronica and Keith doubt Veronica's paternity, but I was dealing. People on this show are complicated. I like that. But then she got back in their lives without going through rehab and was still drinking there. I totally hurt for Veronica when she tells Lianne to get out, that she can't keep betting on her and losing anymore. But I figure that it must be really hard to kick alcoholism and stuff, and I was feeling rather resentful on Veronica's end, because dude, her college money! My heart totally went out to her.
And then Lianne goes and takes the $50,000 check, which is when I started yelling at the TV. ARRRRRRRRRR!!! DIE!
I am, by the way, very, very, very protective of Veronica. Not because I think she needs it, but because I heart her so very, very, very much.
2. "A Trip to the Dentist" completely tore me up. I was sitting on the couch and cringing during the entire episode, and watching Veronica gradually but steadily lose her tough exterior, to her breakdown in front of Duncan, killed me.
I actually found this one more painful and more suspenseful than the finale. It's just... the date rape, Veronica trying to piece together what happened, the drugs and too much alcohol, it's way too much like the eating club environment at college and much too close to home. And I wanted to kill everyone -- Madison, who slipped Veronica her drink, every single person who saw her doing things like that and thought of her as a slut. Dick and Beaver. Maybe Beaver to a slightly lesser extent, but I wanted to kill Dick.
It was just like watching this absolutely awful nightmare. And I just hurt so much for Veronica, who is totally and completely my viewpoint character for this show, and I know I've said this so many times, but watching her go through all that, watching her try so hard to be strong and to keep her composure when she was getting more and more frightened and angry and scared was so hard. I'm not sure why there's this overidentification or viewpoint-ness, but she hits me just as hard as Buffy does, and so I have that instinctive reaction to hit anyone who hurts her. And she hurts so much.
Anyhow, I was sitting there, squishing my poor rats for comfort, and crying.
I am so glad that it ended up being Duncan, that it wasn't entirely malicious, despite the still squickiness of two drugged people having sex. I don't think I could have handled it if it had been malicious, or if it had been mean frat boys, because I was already getting so queasy watching those guys just handle Veronica in the bedroom. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.
And... I seriously doubt anyone here will say anything, but just in case... if anyone even implies that the situation she was in was her fault, or even mildly so, I will bring out the Forks of Doom. I wanted to kill half the people in this episode, and when I didn't feel like killing them, I seriously felt like throwing up.
Yes, this is a big issue for me.
Somehow, I don't think I'll be rewatching this episode any time in the near future. Not because it wasn't good, because it was so well done, but because it tore out my heart and guts.
3. I am warming up slightly to Logan, mostly because of how he dealt with the news of Veronica's date rape and that he was potentially responsible. And that he does feel something toward her. I'm very much glad that he plays something more akin to the typical heroine role in romances, in that Veronica is the one who keeps breaking things off unexpectedly and that he doesn't act like a total macho jerk about it. Except with Weevil. That was still off-putting. Logan's violent side still really frightens me.
4. I adore Wallace so much, and I was so scared that he'd be mad at Veronica for the plant thing. But his disappointment in her not telling him things was worse, almost. But I love him for not being angry. And I love love love him for comforting her after she found things out about Duncan and what happened the night of the party, love him for knowing how hard it must have been for her to show him the Lilly Kane files.
And I'm glad Alicia didn't end up breaking things off with Keith. And part of her speech is right, Keith does treat Veronica like a forty-year-old, but honestly, I think if he treated her like a seventeen-year-old, things would be even worse. Keith knows her so well, and I love their relationship.
5. I was so happy that Keith is really Veronica's dad! I love them so much! Wah!
6. This entry is rapidly degenerating into squees and squeals of pain.
7. OMG Lilly and Aaron Echolls?!?! EWWWWWW! I still don't much like Lilly. I hate Aaron. I feel rather bad for Logan now, because wow, that's a scumbag thing of your dad to do. Ditto for Lilly.
8. OMG Logan on the bridge where his mother jumped and drunk and feeling betrayed, and Weevil driving up! Ok, I even feel the urge to hug Logan now. Everyone's so broken! Wah! And man, I still want to know why Weevil wanted the secret message pen.
9. And oh, I love that Veronica listens to her dad the most when she's scared and that she knows that she's in over her head. I love that she's scared out of her wits when Aaron's in the car with her and that she still tries to do stuff. She reads like a teenager then to me, and watching her crying there, locked up in the refrigerator, owww. And smart girl, to hide the tapes still!
10. And yay for Keith! Also, wanted to bash Aaron's head in for setting the fire and wanted to give Keith giant, giant hugs. I adore the Mars family (sans Lianne). I adored all the Keith-Veronica moments, from her telling him that she never would have made it through the past year without him to that last "Who's your daddy?" And squee, Veronica sent Alicia to the hospital for Keith!
11. I seriously doubt Logan jumped, but am curious if Weevil tried to goad him to do it, or tried to help. I also suspect someone like Wallace was at the door, or Duncan (dun dun DUN!), but doubt that it's Logan.
12. I am also so glad that all the big moment of the finale were Mars-centric instead of being Veronica-Logan centric, and that in the end, the focus was on Veronica and Keith's relationship and how important they were to each other. The show opens with Veronica and Keith together against the world and it sort of ends that way as well, and it seems so right that it does.
13. WANT MORE! WAH!!
1x21-1x22
1. I hate Lianne with a passion. I mean, I was dealing with her having an affair and hurting Keith and making Veronica and Keith doubt Veronica's paternity, but I was dealing. People on this show are complicated. I like that. But then she got back in their lives without going through rehab and was still drinking there. I totally hurt for Veronica when she tells Lianne to get out, that she can't keep betting on her and losing anymore. But I figure that it must be really hard to kick alcoholism and stuff, and I was feeling rather resentful on Veronica's end, because dude, her college money! My heart totally went out to her.
And then Lianne goes and takes the $50,000 check, which is when I started yelling at the TV. ARRRRRRRRRR!!! DIE!
I am, by the way, very, very, very protective of Veronica. Not because I think she needs it, but because I heart her so very, very, very much.
2. "A Trip to the Dentist" completely tore me up. I was sitting on the couch and cringing during the entire episode, and watching Veronica gradually but steadily lose her tough exterior, to her breakdown in front of Duncan, killed me.
I actually found this one more painful and more suspenseful than the finale. It's just... the date rape, Veronica trying to piece together what happened, the drugs and too much alcohol, it's way too much like the eating club environment at college and much too close to home. And I wanted to kill everyone -- Madison, who slipped Veronica her drink, every single person who saw her doing things like that and thought of her as a slut. Dick and Beaver. Maybe Beaver to a slightly lesser extent, but I wanted to kill Dick.
It was just like watching this absolutely awful nightmare. And I just hurt so much for Veronica, who is totally and completely my viewpoint character for this show, and I know I've said this so many times, but watching her go through all that, watching her try so hard to be strong and to keep her composure when she was getting more and more frightened and angry and scared was so hard. I'm not sure why there's this overidentification or viewpoint-ness, but she hits me just as hard as Buffy does, and so I have that instinctive reaction to hit anyone who hurts her. And she hurts so much.
Anyhow, I was sitting there, squishing my poor rats for comfort, and crying.
I am so glad that it ended up being Duncan, that it wasn't entirely malicious, despite the still squickiness of two drugged people having sex. I don't think I could have handled it if it had been malicious, or if it had been mean frat boys, because I was already getting so queasy watching those guys just handle Veronica in the bedroom. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.
And... I seriously doubt anyone here will say anything, but just in case... if anyone even implies that the situation she was in was her fault, or even mildly so, I will bring out the Forks of Doom. I wanted to kill half the people in this episode, and when I didn't feel like killing them, I seriously felt like throwing up.
Yes, this is a big issue for me.
Somehow, I don't think I'll be rewatching this episode any time in the near future. Not because it wasn't good, because it was so well done, but because it tore out my heart and guts.
3. I am warming up slightly to Logan, mostly because of how he dealt with the news of Veronica's date rape and that he was potentially responsible. And that he does feel something toward her. I'm very much glad that he plays something more akin to the typical heroine role in romances, in that Veronica is the one who keeps breaking things off unexpectedly and that he doesn't act like a total macho jerk about it. Except with Weevil. That was still off-putting. Logan's violent side still really frightens me.
4. I adore Wallace so much, and I was so scared that he'd be mad at Veronica for the plant thing. But his disappointment in her not telling him things was worse, almost. But I love him for not being angry. And I love love love him for comforting her after she found things out about Duncan and what happened the night of the party, love him for knowing how hard it must have been for her to show him the Lilly Kane files.
And I'm glad Alicia didn't end up breaking things off with Keith. And part of her speech is right, Keith does treat Veronica like a forty-year-old, but honestly, I think if he treated her like a seventeen-year-old, things would be even worse. Keith knows her so well, and I love their relationship.
5. I was so happy that Keith is really Veronica's dad! I love them so much! Wah!
6. This entry is rapidly degenerating into squees and squeals of pain.
7. OMG Lilly and Aaron Echolls?!?! EWWWWWW! I still don't much like Lilly. I hate Aaron. I feel rather bad for Logan now, because wow, that's a scumbag thing of your dad to do. Ditto for Lilly.
8. OMG Logan on the bridge where his mother jumped and drunk and feeling betrayed, and Weevil driving up! Ok, I even feel the urge to hug Logan now. Everyone's so broken! Wah! And man, I still want to know why Weevil wanted the secret message pen.
9. And oh, I love that Veronica listens to her dad the most when she's scared and that she knows that she's in over her head. I love that she's scared out of her wits when Aaron's in the car with her and that she still tries to do stuff. She reads like a teenager then to me, and watching her crying there, locked up in the refrigerator, owww. And smart girl, to hide the tapes still!
10. And yay for Keith! Also, wanted to bash Aaron's head in for setting the fire and wanted to give Keith giant, giant hugs. I adore the Mars family (sans Lianne). I adored all the Keith-Veronica moments, from her telling him that she never would have made it through the past year without him to that last "Who's your daddy?" And squee, Veronica sent Alicia to the hospital for Keith!
11. I seriously doubt Logan jumped, but am curious if Weevil tried to goad him to do it, or tried to help. I also suspect someone like Wallace was at the door, or Duncan (dun dun DUN!), but doubt that it's Logan.
12. I am also so glad that all the big moment of the finale were Mars-centric instead of being Veronica-Logan centric, and that in the end, the focus was on Veronica and Keith's relationship and how important they were to each other. The show opens with Veronica and Keith together against the world and it sort of ends that way as well, and it seems so right that it does.
13. WANT MORE! WAH!!
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Sat, Sep. 24th, 2005 03:20 pm (UTC)I heart Veronica Mars SO much.
It's been fun reading your reactions, they're very similar to what mine were so it was like watching the show for the first time all over again. I can't WAIT til Wednesday!
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Sat, Sep. 24th, 2005 04:19 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Sat, Sep. 24th, 2005 04:10 pm (UTC)You are me re. Veronica. I have hard time hearing people saying bad things about her, both on the show and in fandom. She's incredibly flawed (the ethical lines she keeps crossing make me cringe like whoa), but the flaws make me love her even more.
"The Trip to the Dentist" is... I hesitate to call it 'my favorite' because it's so hard to watch, but IMO the best episode of the season. I was wrecked at the end of it. I love high friggin' gray it is, and how no single person is to blame for Veronica's rape, but in a way everyone in Neptune is. Also, I always point people who've just caught up on this episode to this brilliant essay by Mars (http://www.livejournal.com/users/ohimesamamama/187024.html), so here it is.
Yay, season 2!
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Sat, Sep. 24th, 2005 04:22 pm (UTC)Oooh, I'm afraid of entering fandom, just because I remember people's attitudes toward Buffy and stuff. And yeah, Veronica's actions a lot of the time really make me cringe (esp. the bugging of the counselor's office and the doctor's records), but she's my girl and I adore her and want to hurt anyone that is mean to her. Eh. I am totally not rational about this.
I think "Trip to the Dentist" definitely is up there as best episode of the season. I just don't know if I can rewatch it any time in the near future, not because it was bad, but because it was done so very well and so very grey that it's too painful to go through again. I haven't encountered something (book or tv or movie) that has affected me so very viscerally for a while.
Word to how all of Neptune is in a way to blame. It's just.. watching the whole culture there and how it resembled my college party scene, ow ow ow ow ow.
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Sat, Sep. 24th, 2005 06:01 pm (UTC)I really do believe that it was Wallace at the door, which would make perfect sense after all that Veronic had shared with him recently, and also a nice bookend to Keith and Alicia in the hospital. I think it would be better to leave the Logan/Ducan question open, at least for the beginning of the season...
;o)
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Mon, Sep. 26th, 2005 01:20 pm (UTC)