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Kaname Madoka is an ordinary middle-school student, at least until one day, a strange student transfers into her class and warns her to not make any big life changes if she wants to hang on to everything she holds dear. Then she rescues a cute fuzzy animal from aforementioned transfer student, and it offers her the chance to become a magical girl. In exchange for the power to fight witches, she can make one wish.

I first heard about this series when people were talking about it being a deconstruction of the magical girl and a successor to Revolutionary Girl Utena and Princess Tutu. I would say it's closer to Utena in spirit, with none of the fairy tale elements of both series, with a lot of Neon Genesis Evangelion added in. Also, as a warning to people who may think pink-haired protagonists and magical girls can't possibly be serious, this is one of the most depressing things I have seen in a while. I mean, people warned me about this, but it still got much darker than I anticipated.

Also, some of the animation is the creepiest and most surreal thing I have seen in a while.

Spoilers come true, not free

So for me, the deconstruction of the magical girl genre lay mostly in the series' ability to twist everything that is usually a virtue for magical girls into something that not only backfires on them, but is the worst possible thing they could do. It's the nihilism in a lot of the series that gets to me the most, the notion that not only can you not change things for the better, but every attempt to do so will make everything demonstrably worse, until you finally turn into your worst possible nightmare. This was mitigated by the ending, but a lot of the scenes from the middle of the series really make me not want to go to sleep at night.

I was already pretty traumatized when the show killed off Mami, and even more so at the reveal of how the Soul Gems actually work, but the final reveal of the magical girls becoming witches in the very end, the endless cycle of witches, magical girls needed to fight them, and then become them, is SO DEPRESSING. Especially Kyubey's "Let me know whenever you'd like to sacrifice everything to stop entropy in the universe, Madoka. Bye!" attitude. It's all the visceral horror at how Mami dies—EW, and it totally reminded me of how some of the EVAs die in Evangelion—added to the incredibly creepy imagery of the labyrinths and the witches, the thanklessness of the job and how the magical girls are pitted against each other, all that with the additional bonus that it's kind of useless anyway, because any good you managed to do will be undone when you turn into a witch. In retrospect, Mami's death, though disturbing, is probably the best that magical girls have to hope for.

And poor Sayaka. I think, given everything, her wish doesn't turn out nearly as bad as it could have, but as anyone who reads fairy tales knows, "wishes come true, not free." At least her wish doesn't end up destroying Kamijo in the same way Kyoko's rips apart her entire family. Also, I think it says something about the series when I find Kyoko's self sacrifice to bring down witch-Sayaka undepressing.

Then there is Homura, whom I adore. I love we get to see her as the awkward new girl and that her transformation into a magical girl doesn't automatically give her the skills needed to fight witches. Also, I am really amused by a magical girl who basically uses a human arsenal instead of magical guns and swords and what have you. And while I absolutely love her friendship with Madoka, part of me keeps wondering what her life must have been like before for her to basically keep changing the world again and again for someone she only knew at first for a month. And oh, the awful moment when Kyubey finally figures out why Madoka has such immense potential and tells Homura that it's her very efforts to keep Madoka from becoming a magical girl that is drawing Kyubey to her.

But then, amazingly, Madoka finally manages to turn all the qualities that spell downfall for a magical girl—hope, love, compassion—into the strength they usually are in most shoujo series. (This is why I feel like the series isn't just a commentary on the magical girl genre, but also on shoujo in general.) I'm not quite sure what I think of the ending, partly because I have so many feelings about it! I absolutely adore the Madoka-Homura friendship and how there are so many reversals of who is the strong one and the protector and who is the one being protected. I love that Madoka manages to take what seems to be the ultimate despairing moment from Homura by using all the power HOmura has unwittingly given her to rewrite the universe.

Also, um, wow, rewriting universe.

On the other hand, I wonder what other bits of magical girl depressingness have continued, particularly the bit about the Soul Gem and dead bodies. (Also, how do the girls not notice that? I figure when the Soul Gem is nearby, they have a pulse and breathe and etc.) Are their wishes still fated to go tragically wrong? I felt like that was part of the witch curse, but I'm not sure.

Spoilers for Utena, Evangelion, and Sailor Moon

Obviously the imagery here reminds me a lot of Evangelion, and a lot of the series does as well, possibly moreso at times than Utena. It's mostly how PMMM and Evangelions are deconstructing common genres that can be power fantasies for boys and girls, and doing so in the most depressing way possible! There's something about how powerless both Shinji and Madoka feel, especially the more and more they learn about EVAs or magical girls, though Madoka being depressed seems more circumstantial than Shinji's. There's a certain feel of nihilism to both of the series at some point; the idea that anything you do will only make things worse and that the only way through it is to become the thing you hate.

I think PMMM resolves it much better than Evangelion (HI ANNO STILL BURNED), though I was very amused by PMMM's floating figures in outer space talking with each other and general imagery around the transformation to the earth.

I was also thinking about parallels between Shinji having to go after his classmate in the berserk EVA and Kaworu, and especially the imagery parallel with Kaworu in the hand of EVA 001 and Madoka in the hand of witch-Sayaka.

A lot of my reaction to PMMM's ending is also influenced by Utena's ending, and at least here, Madoka has clearly influenced her world and rewritten it to be better, unlike Utena seemingly having no effect at all before we see Anthy at the gate. So I didn't find the ending depressing (at least given that the magical girls' wishes don't go so terribly and hopefully Kyubey and cohort are much less manipulative because there isn't as much to manipulate).

Random notes:

  • I love the homage to Sailor Saturn and Sailor Pluto in the form of Homura—how come the purple color-coded character always gets the awesome boots? I was also paralleling Chibi Usa and Hotaru with Madoka and Homura.
  • Do all the magical girls have surnames that are usually used as personal names? I'm not sure if it actually signifies anything though.
  • I love how in the future of digital blackboards and fancy architecture, people are still using CD players.

I missed all the discussion going on when people were watching this; any links very welcome!

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Tue, Feb. 19th, 2013 08:45 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] gramarye1971
I don't have any particular links for the discussion, but in chatting with most of my friends who've seen the show we generally concluded that we didn't care for the Madoka ending as much as we did for Utena's. When you've spend the entire series hammering home how much the magical girls sacrifice to become who they are, having it end with Madoka making THE BIGGEST SACRIFICE EVER is kind of a let-down. It plays right into Kyubey's original goal, even if that goal is then altered by Madokami's ability to rewrite the history of magical girls. It's just another variant, albeit a darker one, on the standard magical girl trope that your power comes from your ability to sacrifice yourself for the sake of others -- and isn't that what Homura was trying to prevent Madoka from doing all along?

I suppose that the ending that would have satisfied me most would be for Madoka to never make the contract at all, because, as with most war games, 'the only winning move is not to play'. Instead, with the full knowledge that Homura has built up all this power around her because of the repeated time loops, Madoka would somehow give that power back to Homura in order to fight Walpurgis Night and win before it destroys the city. Even if Homura dies from it, she won't necessarily turn into a witch because she'll die knowing that Madoka will longer be targeted by Kyubey for her magical girl potential. It would still be a downer ending, because witches and Grief Seeds would continue to exist, but Homura would have fulfilled her original promise to Madoka to protect her and keep her from making a contract, and it would break the cycle of sacrifice for at least one possible magical girl/witch. I had the choice to become the most powerful magical girl in the history of the universe and I turned it down would have been a refreshingly trope-shattering ending. (I get that this makes me something of a heretic, but the whole Madokami aspect doesn't quite sit right with me.)

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Tue, Feb. 19th, 2013 09:03 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] laceblade
I haven't been able to get myself to finish this, but then I haven't been able to get myself to rewatch Utena for...years :/

Other than the Utena/Sailor Moon parallels, I also associated this pretty heavily with Evangelion.
Kyubey merchandise is so creepy, ;_;

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Tue, Feb. 19th, 2013 09:17 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] oracne
Sounds fascinating, but I don't think I'd be able to tolerate the depressing aspects. Thanks for the detailed review!

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Tue, Feb. 19th, 2013 09:25 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] yeloson
Here's what I wrote about it last year when I saw it:

http://yeloson.dreamwidth.org/934758.html

One thing I did really like is that it really paralleled the casual cruelty of resource extraction: "Oh, yeah, we totally build our society on your misery, and you get this small kick back that really ain't shit. Have fun."

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Tue, Feb. 19th, 2013 09:26 pm (UTC)
skygiants: Utena huddled up in the elevator next to a white dress; text 'they made you a dress of fire' (pretty pretty prince(ss))
Posted by [personal profile] skygiants
Here were my comments at the time! Which were pretty ambivalent, and I think I've grown less enamored of the series as time goes on rather than more. I don't find the ending particularly hopeful or transformative ("let's change the world by euthanizing all the magical girls before they can become witches, yay!") and I think if you're going to stomp nihilistically all over the shoujo tropes that (problematic as they sometimes can be) do also provide a lot of messages about the values of kindness and compassion and sacrifice, and an important way for girls to imagine themselves as powerful, then you need to do actually recostruct something at the end. Or it's just kind of pointless destruction of something valuable, you know?

But damn is it a stylistically impressive show, though. And I will always love Homura!
Edited Tue, Feb. 19th, 2013 09:27 pm (UTC)

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Tue, Feb. 19th, 2013 09:40 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] troisroyaumes
Well, you know my feelings on the series!

I found the ending incredibly depressing for basically the same reasons that other people list above, even though I think the creators intended it to be happy. Or maybe they didn't? Either way, it was not a happy ending for me, and it was such a depressing show that even though it had so many elements I liked, I can't bring myself to be fannish about it. T_T

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Tue, Feb. 19th, 2013 09:56 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] qian
I'm really intrigued now, having read your review! Want to watch it, but ... scared of the depressingness. D:

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Tue, Feb. 19th, 2013 10:20 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] lovepeaceohana
I really liked this show. Almost loved, because it gave me so many things to think about and mull over - but then, like with Evangelion, I'm not familiar enough with the tropes it is deconstructing to be getting the full impact of the series. So the ending worked, for me, although reading through this commentary I can absolutely see why it didn't work for others, because y'all are right about the way in which the show worked so hard to subvert or avert all these Power of Friendship tropes only to try and bring them all right back together at the end.

Although I'm still pretty sure this ending beats Evangelion's, because JEEZBUS that was horrifying to me as a teenager.

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Wed, Feb. 20th, 2013 12:14 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] shati
One of my other problems with PMMM was that the end was kind of...a happy mass murder? On first watch my reaction to the end was: huh? But on rewatch I end I was just like, Madoka, if you are rewriting the rules of reality maybe you could aim a LITTLE HIGHER.

I like parts of it a lot, and the witch dimensions really stayed with me, but I don't think it hangs together all that well. And I think the shoujo deconstruction, where it works, would work better for me in a show that could be funny without breaking the mood. Like, "The cute animal companion is a heartless alien harvesting your souls" isn't exactly a pessimistic but logical extrapolation.

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Wed, Feb. 20th, 2013 12:57 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] owlectomy
PMMM means a whole lot to me because at the time I watched it, I really needed to hear what it was telling me, which was:

When you fail, remember what you love, and what you care about, and do it again. And again. And again. And again. Until the sheer power of not giving up makes you so strong that you are unstoppable.

2011 was maybe not the best year for me, hah.

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Wed, Feb. 20th, 2013 04:46 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] tigerlily
Outside of my emotional arc watching (and rewatching), I can see where it has problems, particularly the self-sacrifice and the part where it means magical girls still have to be sentenced to death. For me, it still does affirm things like hope without preaching them and telling the audience they're inferior if they don't have it. Hope is put through the wringer and it seems stupid and naive to have it, but then Madoka says no, you have the right to hope and it doesn't make you inferior or stupid and wrong. Because things can and do turn out wrong, but you can still matter. I believed her when she said a true miracle would happen and she and Homura would meet again.

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Wed, Feb. 20th, 2013 09:41 am (UTC)
lea_hazel: A frowning white theater mask (Feel: Sad Face :()
Posted by [personal profile] lea_hazel
I don't know the first thing about magical girls, so I imagine a lot of the show's intended subversion slipped right past my radar. Your comments about girls and self-sacrifice, for example, are something I never would have noticed on my own. Perhaps it's time for me to rewatch and reevaluate with clear(er) eyes, since it's been some time since I saw it and a lot has changed.

I'm personally predisposed in favor of dark and especially bittersweet endings because of my temperament. To me, Madoka's sacrifice and the fact that it failed to solve the problem of magical girls altogether, resonates with the idea that it's worthwhile to try and change the world for the better even if you don't manage to magically fix everything forever. A kind of, "live to fight another day," message. This was the thing I found second most affecting, after Sayaka's character and her empathy-related downwards spiral.

Once again, though, I don't really have the media background to see the series in full context. I may be reading things into it that are more of a projection of mine than anything else.

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Thu, Feb. 21st, 2013 03:40 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] lacewood
I don't think the ending was entirely happy or sad (or intended to be?) but given the middle of the series, the fact that the ending had any hope at all seemed like a feat in itself. I'm not sure I could conceive of a happier ending within the universe.

I can see where people would have issues, but I think for me at least, it's balanced by the fact that the show also showed 3 girls/women who are "outside" the mahou shoujo system and accomplished/successful/happy. So you don't have to play the game, it's clearly possible for a girl/woman to be happy and fulfilled without having to resort to self sacrifice/the mahou system. But by the end, Madoka herself knows too much to turn her back on the system, even if logically it's the only way for her to "win"? In the end what Homura gave her wasn't just Power, but knowledge - this Madoka, more than any other mahou before her, makes her final contract fully aware of the entire system, and I think that itself made a difference.

An ending that destroyed the entire mahou system seemed like it would ultimately say "you can't ever wish for something greater than you are", so I don't think that would have worked either. And I read "even I will have no reason to despair" as a pretty big "fuck you" to everything Kyuubey said about hope. XD; The ending is imperfect, but in a way that made sense to the character and series, to me. Or maybe I've just bought into the mahou shoujo philosophy myself.

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Sat, Mar. 2nd, 2013 07:22 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] heavenscalyx
We just finished it last night, and I'm still extremely impressed by the artwork and style and soundtrack. I agree with a lot of your criticisms of the nihilism, and how similar it was to Eva that way. I am taking the ending as another bit of deconstructionist meta: Madoka sacrificed everything -- herself, her family, the memories of her existence -- to save the world in the ultimate act of being a magical girl. She became the goddess of magical girls (and princesses and Rose Brides) by that self-erasure, and as the magical girl tropes are constructed, this is the ultimate fate that society thinks all girls should seek.

On another hand, I kind of like the whole "love between women can change the world" theme continuance from Utena.

Although Akycha pointed out to me that PMMM seems to also be saying that men figure not at all in the fabric of the universe -- they can't change anything and they're worthless -- but also that women can't change anything really fundamental either, we're just all these tiny specks and all we can do is nudge things in a slightly less-bad way uphill against entropy.

Yeah, so, I totally agree it's problematic in SO many ways. But damn was it pretty.

Also, I'd love it if someone who was more familiar with actual magical girl series waded back through PMMM to see if the witches they fought were metareferences to specific magical girl series. We were wondering if Walpurgisnacht was actually supposed to be a ref to the Sailor Senshi, since at one point, the wheel of Walpurgisnacht had many girls standing around it.

And love LOVE Homura. She's one of the best characters ever.

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Sat, Mar. 2nd, 2013 07:47 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] salinea
She became the goddess of magical girls (and princesses and Rose Brides) by that self-erasure, and as the magical girl tropes are constructed, this is the ultimate fate that society thinks all girls should seek.
In a way it's the opposite of the ending in Utena: Anthy gets to stop being a sacrificial goddess, she gets to be a real person.

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