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Oyceter ([personal profile] oyceter) wrote2004-08-28 12:11 am

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Article in this month's Wired on anime, focusing specifically on the upcoming releases of three big directors: Miyazaki Hayao's Howl's Moving Castle, Otomo Katsuhiro (of Akira fame)'s Steamboy, and Oshii Mamoru's Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence. I'm actually only really interested in Miyazaki's... never was that fond of Akira or Ghost in the Shell, as both belong to a particularly violent postapocalyptic type of scifi that doesn't really appeal to me. I haven't closely analyzed, but I have the impression not only of a great deal of violence, but a great deal of violence directed toward the female body in particular in some anime that particularly disturbs me -- Kai in Akira (the movie, I haven't read the manga), what I remember of Ghost in the Shell, Evangelion even (though I do like Evangelion), Perfect Blue, and probably some others I don't remember.

It's really interesting looking at how articles on anime have changed through the years -- I had particular fun looking at various newspaper and magazine articles while I was writing my thesis. Everything pretty much up through 1999 was in the vein of: Japanese adults read comic books with weird and violent sex! Japanese adults watch cartoons that are pornographic and violent! Look how strange this is! 1999, which I mainly remember as a turning point because of the popular appeal of Pokemon and the art crowd appeal of Princess Mononoke. Then there were a lot of articles trying to say anime and manga weren't just weird and strange with lots of sex and violence, but there was still a lot of the old "how strange, look at those giant eyes and the strange color hair!" type thing. This one is focused very much on the directors instead of the medium as a whole, maybe because Wired is a fairly geeky magazine that doesn't feel like it needs to explain anime. It was also arguing on how these three major releases may very well (finally) bring anime into the mainstream, although I would posit that it's been moving that way for yeeeeaaaaarrrrsssss (albeit slowly). I think Spirited Away won over a lot of the art crowd types, more so than Princess Mononoke, probably because Princess Mononoke had to do the hard work of breaking ground. Of course, I mainly have this impression because I was actually able to drag my non-anime watching friends to see it and have them like it (it's the purple mouse. No one can resist the purple mouse).

I also found it funny that the article was going on about how Japan's economic power may have waned, but it might be coming into a new power via popular culture. I'm kind of amused, because I got to watch (and participate in) Taiwan going through a Japanese pop culture phase. It's still a fairly big part of the cultural landscape there, but there are no longer ramen stores popping up like weeds. And when I went back about two years ago, it was all about jewelry imported from Korea and K-pop and Korean soap operas. And I know on one hand there are all the arguments about exoticization and fetishism and the like, but it will be interesting to see what happens, if Japanese pop culture does indeed catch on. I sort of figure it will be an interesting contrast to the exoticization/adoption of American culture in Japan (Hawaiian stuff in particular in Okinawa). I guess I would probably feel weirder if it were Taiwan/Chinese pop culture catching on. Actually, I would probably just be happy because it would mean that I could get C-pop CDs and things like that. Living in California often does feel like a mix of Chinese and American culture some times. Not the pop culture things, but foodwise... I find it very, very funny (and extremely convenient) that there are four bubble tea shops just on Castro Street/downtown Mountain View. I speak not of a very large stretch of street! They are all concentrated within a four block radius!

Just read the news: WTF is up with the Paul Hamm thing? Jeez. Poor guy.

[identity profile] jesseb.livejournal.com 2004-08-28 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
Re: anime in the mainstream
An article appeared in Science a few months ago by Bob Laughlin, nobel prize-winning physicist at Stanford, which consisted of Akira as a metaphor for some theoretical work on quantum phase transitions. The only figure in the article was a half-page image from the movie.

[identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com 2004-08-28 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
My great-aunt and -uncle can resist the purple mouse. Seriously. They saw "Spirited Away" on a Disney Cruise and were horrified and shocked at "the direction Disney's going." "I hope [my cousin, then age 10] doesn't have nightmares about this!" they repeated over and over again, thereby making sure that if she awoke in the night feeling unsettled, she would be sure there were nightmares. We explained that this was not the new way of Disney but was rather distributed by Disney. Much relief. (Oh, yes, thank God they're not coming up with complex original tales with emotional depth and are instead bastardizing fairy tales, literary classics, and history! Whew!)

I think the hoppy-hand-lantern makes the whole thing so much friendlier and more accessible. I think the wee bird and the purple mouse rock. But to the sensibilities of people who would never have thought of a surrealist animation in the first place, much less one that worked, it was still more of a confusing assault than the no-face. They wanted to be able to make "Spirited Away" be firmly nasty or nice, and it wasn't either, or was both. The reasons I loved it were the reasons they were appalled by it.

This was disheartening.

In some ways, I think "Mononoke" might have been easier for them to take, because it had less variation in tone. They could have put it in one box and left it there, and while some things would have been strange to them, I think a deer spirit is less of a leap than a bathhouse of the gods if you aren't used to speculative materials. Which is why it's less interesting to me, even though I do like "Mononoke." Hmm.

[identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com 2004-08-29 05:25 am (UTC)(link)
Which Disney movies have girls growing up a little? Getting married, but that's a little different.

I liked Spirited Away for many reasons, but one of them is that when Our Heroine is going down the big long stairs to the coal sprites, I did not know whether she was going to be okay. I trusted Miyazaki that it might not be, that he would put her in genuine danger. I don't trust Disney for that. Because I had that trust, I could also trust that the ending would be genuine and satisfying. I could relax and immerse myself in the movie, knowing that he was not going to betray the story he had set up.
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[identity profile] coffeeandink.livejournal.com 2004-08-28 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
I need to rewatch Princess Mononoke, now that I've seen more anime and now that I've seen Spirited Away. Maybe it was all the hype, but Mononoke just didn't ... seem all that great to me. I mean, I thought it was good and had a kind of emotional complexity and a ... I guess a non-Western world-view that didn't go into good-evil dualisms in places where I expected it to; but it also felt slow in places, and while there was a lot about it I respected, there was nothing about it I loved. Whereas Spirited Away I just fell in love with. It was sheer delight, even during the tragic and horrifying parts, because I was just *so happy* with what I was seeing on the screen.

[identity profile] veejane.livejournal.com 2004-08-28 08:31 am (UTC)(link)
I felt vaguely clueless about Mononoke as well, and similarly ascribed it to not having the underlying mythological/cultural tools to decode the text. I really enjoyed it, but in that way that is wow, cool without understanding why it is cool.

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2004-08-28 10:33 am (UTC)(link)
I loved the little popping forest spirits, but I like Spirited Away better too. It was just so fun, like the perfect version of Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere, as someone else (rushthatspeaks?) had mentioned wishing existed. The soot sprites! The teeny crow/teeny fat hamster! The dragon! The everything!

[identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com 2004-08-28 01:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, 'twas me, and I can kind of see that working, now that you mention it.

[identity profile] veejane.livejournal.com 2004-08-28 08:42 am (UTC)(link)
I have the impression not only of a great deal of violence, but a great deal of violence directed toward the female body in particular in some anime that particularly disturbs me -- Kai in Akira (the movie, I haven't read the manga),

The manga is a bit more elaborate on the violence towards women front -- Tetsuo has his minions bring him girls, whom he drugs, rapes and kills. Not fun. I mean, yes, he is running a drug-addled, going-insane, Lost Boys Go To Hell post-apoc empire, but: not fun. He lets one girl (Kaori) live accidentally, and she becomes like his emotional lifeline. Because when a psychokinetic lunatic brings me to his rape chamber, my first instinct is sooooo to help him out.

Then again, there is a powerful (adult!) woman, Chiyoko by name, who helps out Kei and the military guy, who is not present in the movie at all. I mean, of course, she gets a topless scene in vol. 4 of the collected manga, but she also gets to shout and fire weapons a lot.

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2004-08-28 10:30 am (UTC)(link)
There are five boba tea shops on a two-block stretch of Sawtelle near where I live. I keep waiting for four of them to go out of business, but the first two or three have been there for years already.

[identity profile] angeyja.livejournal.com 2004-08-28 10:55 am (UTC)(link)
Evangelion even (though I do like Evangelion)

I did too. Remarkable. I don't think I can watch it again though.

I really stopped in just to say thank you. The book arrived this week!

errrr..

[identity profile] angeyja.livejournal.com 2004-08-28 11:02 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, almost forgot. The answer to your question is yes very very but mainly what's happening is that I'm doing a lot of work with Rose and Cole (that eats up about two hours a day that was LJtime) and renovations/maintenance in the house, some of which has been hanging fire for years, and trying to quick smoking again which is going so-so but much better when I'm out doing than online.

Hope all is well with you. (And hope that's not too inappropriate has I haven't kept up!) And thanks again; looking forward to the book.

[identity profile] chi-zu.livejournal.com 2004-08-30 08:08 am (UTC)(link)
I don't have time to read your whole post now (definitely want to though, because I love scholarship on anime), but the "four bubble tea shops on Castro thing caught my eye. I was recently in the area and made my brother take me to get bubble tea on Castro. We were joking that our mom would ask us, "Where did you go? Verde, Tapioca Express, that new tea place?" And we'd answer, "Yes." Because we hit 2 out of (we knew at the time) three. It really boggles the mind the explosion within the past couple of years. I remember when I had to drive all the way to Cupertino just to get pearl milk tea!