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Oyceter ([personal profile] oyceter) wrote2008-07-12 11:56 pm

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Would anyone who watches a lot of Bollywood movies be willing to watch this and tell me how the dancing is? (possible spoilers for So You Think You Can Dance Top 12)

I am really really happy about more cultures being represented on the show (Chinese folk dancing pleeeaaaseeeee?), but I haven't watched enough Bollywood dancing myself to be able to tell about technique and etc., and I'm pretty sure the judges haven't either. Also, I think a lot of the praise from the judges is coming from just having a Bollywood dance on the show; I remember when a couple did lindy hop last year, the judges so did not pick up on a lot of the little technique problems that they would have for a more familiar genre like ballroom.

(Also, while I like Katee and cheer for her, my reaction was also, "What, how can you not know what Bollywood is?!")

Also also, while I am here, commentary on the African jazz piece very welcome!

[identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com 2008-07-12 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
That was really impressive! I'm happy to see the culture represented too, though I agree that the judges seemed to be overly excited about having the dance at all, to the exclusion of talking about execution much.

Based on my limited experience, I'd say that they did a lot of adaptation to get a similar feel to a big Bollywood dance number, since they only had two people. It seemed like Katee was acting largely as a sub for 100 backup dancers with the abrupt, "masculine" moves that fit with the section of music they used. I'd usually expect more of the veil business and slinkier moves from a leading woman. I'm not sure they really expressed the story they were going for. Normally there's a sort of dueling boy/girl alternation, where they flirt for a long time before doing anything in sync, so I didn't get any sense here of playing hard-to-get. I think the feel of a larger cast came across, but at the expense of the story.

[identity profile] jinian.livejournal.com 2008-07-12 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
(Wow, the judges were cold to Comfort and Chris! I thought they did great, though the judges have a point that the intensity declined a bit during the number. Maybe it's my lack of dance knowledge that makes me a bit mystified as to how it's jazz.)

[identity profile] morgan-dhu.livejournal.com 2008-07-12 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I was sad to see Comfort go, but at the same time, I'm not sure that she was keeping up as well as she could have - and I'm not sure why that might have been. At times she hasn't seemed to be as confident as she needs to be, and I think that's shown in her dancing.

Actually, I haven't really been overwhelmed by many of the women this year other than Katee. I'm not sure why none of the others have really stood out for me. Maybe it's because I've been so very overwhelmed by Will and Twitch...
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[identity profile] cryptoxin.livejournal.com 2008-07-18 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
And I keep wondering if she's being held back by aversive racism (via her partners or the judges or the voters, who knows)

I really like Comfort, but I'd been disappointed by a lot of her performances.

I watched season 3 of SYTYCD for the first time this year, and tried to keep track of the proportion of people of color at each stage of the competition, to see if they were eliminated at a higher rate than white contestants. What I found was that at every stage, about 30-35% of the dancers (plus or minus 5%) were people of color, suggesting that they weren't more likely to get cut. And then of course, there were two people of color in the final four, and (awesomely!) Sabra won with Danny as runner up.

This year, things seemed to follow a similar pattern for the first half of the season, though the percentage of people of color was a bit higher on average -- maybe 35-40%. I don't know if you've seen this week's episodes yet, so I won't say more now -- but things have gotten really interesting now that we're down to the top 8!

Of course, the show still has a fair amount of racial issues. Especially around stereotypes & fetishization of dance styles associated with blacks -- i.e. the recurring drama of whether white dancers can be sufficiently 'gangsta' when dancing hip hop, or the whole 'animalistic'/primitive stuff viz. African jazz routines -- and the pseudo-affirmative action narratives around 'street dancers' and b-boys/b-girls. Plus there's the preponderance of white judges and choreographers.

As a counterpoint, I've also been watching America's Best Dance Crew on MTV (the episodes are all online, though I don't know if they're accessible from outside the U.S.), where the majority of crew members and two out of the three judges are people of color (the crews come up with their own choreography). The first season, which aired earlier this year, was amazing; the crews in the current season don't seem as strong or memorable, but it's still enjoyable with some really impressive dancing.