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Oyceter ([personal profile] oyceter) wrote2013-01-04 02:50 pm
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Elementary 1x08-1x10

Elementary 1x08 The Long Fuse

As with many Elementary episodes, I really like the character stuff and don't remember very much about the episode plot. I was hoping that Sherlock's new sponsor would be a regular, but possibly he isn't? I love that Sherlock picked Alfredo partly just to make Joan feel uncomfortable, and I really love that Joan does feel uncomfortable but then interviews him and changes her mind.

[personal profile] crossedwires has good things to say about anti-black prejudice in the episode and how the show deals with it; I too wish they had done it more with Sherlock the white guy than with Joan, but it was refreshing to see it even being dealt with.

Also, HEE to luring Sherlock in by inviting him to crack a lock.

I wasn't particularly fond of the murderous escort-turned-CEO plot, particularly her hitting on Sherlock, but I will say the depiction of the start-up web company was spot on.

Elementary 1x09 You Do It to Yourself

I love that Bell got to contribute a bit to the case, rather than Sherlock solving everything all the time.

Re: the Chinatown aspect. Hrm. It's... not as bad as it could have been? Which is damning with faint praise, but I have also learned to take what I can get from TV. And yet. The more episodes like this, the more the Asian woman + white man formula starts to feel formulaic and a bit gross. The show does do well with Joan, but this is partly why I wish Alfredo had been showing up more. She is still a bit in Sherlock's shadow, given the whole "Sherlock Holmes" bit of the franchise.

I also got nidgy when Sherlock began explaining all these Chinese symbolisms to Bell because well... it's a mix? Some people believe stuff and some people don't and some people kind of believe but figure they should do something lucky just in case and some people are white East Asian profs who seem to be doing this as a lifestyle choice. Which... meh. Also, I was very meh about the plot with his wife and the abuse and her immigration status and just... it would have been much better had she had more initiative or been something other than the victim. The scene with white male Sherlock interrogating her about sexual abuse was particularly difficult.

I loved the entire subplot regarding Joan and Liam, and that last scene with Sherlock joining her to wait for Liam was excellent.

Elementary 1x10 The Leviathan

We meet Joan's family! I think I am holding back on opinions until seeing more of them, though it was nice to see her brother. I'm not entirely sure I agree with [personal profile] crossedwires' critique in this case, but I think more context from the show would be helpful. Mary reads to me as a very Westernized 1.5 gen mom or something. My vague impression was that Joan's father (stepfather?) is white? Mostly I'm hoping that they keep Joan's family in as an ongoing thread, as even though Mary has expressed some approval over Joan's current job, I suspect it's not something that's resolved quite that easily.

On a case level, it was so nice having something that wasn't a murder! Or, well, that at first wasn't a murder! I like this version of Elementary MUCH better, partly because I love heists and capers, and partly because watching dead people every episode gets a bit grim. Or: reasons why I normally don't watch procedurals.
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[personal profile] quarter_to_five 2013-01-04 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really, really meh about Elementary and generally tend to be really unforgiving of the way it's centered on Sherlock (and the way that that just so happens to be rippling out onto women and poc's)...but to give credit where it's due, with the Chinatown episode - I actually thought it was a nice - and relatively subtle - touch with the evil prof's Asian fetish.

Like, theres all this Asian stuff, and it's oh-so-meaningful, yet also a bit tacky and deliberate: as you say, a lifestyle choice. But at that point, he's not the bad guy yet (er, I think? I watched this a few weeks ago now) and hey, being Interested In Other Cultures is a Good Thing, yes? And then we meet his wife and there's this uncomfortable undercurrent of, oh, wait, is she another Asian thing in the collection? And then it turns out that the relashionship really is appallingly abusive and exploitative, so going back it always seems like the Prof's collection of Asian stuff is meant to be a sort of...conspicous consumption.

Eh, maybe i'm overanalyzing.
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[personal profile] thistleingrey 2013-01-05 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
Heh, "Leviathan" is one of my two half-watched episodes, but I had no idea about Joan's family from the first half. Guess I should finish that one, on principle.
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[personal profile] yasaman 2013-01-05 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
I too hope we learn more about Joan's family! And that her mom shows up again, and possibly her dad. Really, I just want this to be the Joan Watson show, as much as I love JLM's Sherlock.
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[personal profile] torachan 2013-01-05 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
I am definitely curious about her dad. I don't think there's been anything actually said about her dad being white (either in the show or by the creators), just an assumption that with the name Watson he must be.
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[personal profile] esmenet 2013-01-05 06:56 am (UTC)(link)
Apparently You Do It To Yourself is a fix-it fic of a really really racist story from the original canon (explanation here).
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[personal profile] sanguinity 2013-01-06 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
1x08: Last time I saw that actress in something (The West Wing), she was also playing a prostitute. So my teeth were a bit set on edge from that plot reveal forward.

1x10: I'm so glad that they didn't go to the Tiger Mom place with Mary Watson, but I wasn't able to evaluate her portrayal much beyond that. Thanks for your discussion and the pointer to [personal profile] crossedwires. (The link is broken, btw.)

From another direction, I was very happy to see the Elementary writers neatly sidestep all the Mary Watson-bashing that you get in ACD and Beeblock fandoms.
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[personal profile] crossedwires 2013-01-06 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
Mostly I'm hoping that they keep Joan's family in as an ongoing thread, as even though Mary has expressed some approval over Joan's current job, I suspect it's not something that's resolved quite that easily.

I hope so! I think I was feeling a little (or a lot, actually) short-changed by the quick resolution of this issue between her and Joan, and how much of what should've been about Joan and her family was instead about Sherlock and how he sees Joan. Which was nice? But still cut into Joan's time, I thought.

In the pilot episode, when Mary calls Joan and Joan declines to answer, her phone says it's from "Mom & Dad" and the picture that comes up is of an Asian woman and a white man.