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Oyceter ([personal profile] oyceter) wrote2008-11-06 10:58 am

Yagi Norihiro - Claymore, vol. 01-08 (Eng. trans.)

I think I actually flipped through volume one in a bookstore before and decided the series was too bloody to read; luckily, my public library has it, so I ended up mainlining it anyway.

In a medievaloid fantasy world, humans are often preyed on by yoma, demons who can assume anyone's form and who like eating human guts. In defense, a secret organization of men created half-yoma, half-human beings to fight the yoma. For some reason, only women survived this transformation, and the humans call them Claymores after the giant swords they all carry. The Claymores travel through villages, kill yoma, and let the black-clad men of the organization get the money.

Unfortunately, the more the Claymores fight, the more of their yoma power they have to use, and eventually, it consumes them. Then, they either become yoma themselves, or they send a black card out to a fellow Claymore so they can die while still human.

Clare is a Claymore, with a more unusual backstory than most. In volume one, she wanders into the boy Raki's village to kill the yoma that killed his parents. The first volume plays much like a western: the solitary village, the villain, the innocent boy whose gratitude she earns, the triumphant yet lonely walk away in the sunset. But Raki ends up following her, and Clare begrudgingly accepts his company.

Like several other people on my flist have said, I love that this manga is shounen and yet revolves around a host of female characters. Raki is our viewpoint character for volume one, but he's really a very minor character who's mostly there to be the kid in distress for Clare to rescue. While volume 1 stands alone, volume 2 gets into a more interesting yoma plot (less slash and bash, more strategy), and then we get to Clare's backstory, which as mentioned, is great.

Unfortunately, the series bogs down a little later with many fight scenes and assorted new fighting techniques; this will probably be fun and enjoyable for shounen trope fans (I, on the other hand, have a limited tolerance of power ups and fights). I am still bothered by the amount of violence, though I've discovered it's less because of the bloodshed and more because so much of it happens to be the chopping off of limbs and assorted decapitations and bisections. I'm not quite sure why this makes me more queasy than a simple sword thrust to the gut, but there you have it.

On the other hand, there's promise of getting more into the nature of the Claymores, the history of the organization, whatever shadowy secrets the organization is hiding—what organization with black-clad men isn't hiding secrets?—and more of Clare's main goal. I'm hoping there will be less limb-chopping, although the number of limbs flying seems to be increasing rather than decreasing. Ah well.

Also, this series may have the first decapitated head hugging scene that is actually tragic and not accidentally hilarious.

Please put any spoilers for vols. 1-8 in <span style="color:#333;background:#333">spoiler text</span>! And no spoilers for further volumes; I have them on hold at the library.

[identity profile] furikku.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Awesome, I'll definitely give it a try! Thanks! :D

(And yeah, I totally hear you on the lack of objectification! It's really nice seeing that, especially in shonen.)

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-11-06 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I think we're meant to see them as being completely de-sexualized, really. Their attitudes towards sex seem to be either "meh, dull" or "that's just weird," and the nudity is either devoid of sexuality, or it kills off any interest the person seeing it may have had.
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[personal profile] octopedingenue 2008-11-07 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with this. One of the few problems I have with the series is when it goes to the flipside with Sexuality/Sensuality=EEEBIL, though I won't go into spoilery detail here. But that does make the series all the more interesting! And I still love, love that the Claymores are all undeniably, differently female and manage to be interesting and sympathetic as women without ever going "If only I could stop kicking ass and get a man to screw me for some babies!

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
I think they only do that flipside of "Sexuality/Sensuality=EEEBIL" with the one character, though. Actually, I (and others) have a half formed theory about that. (Spoiler only if the earliest Claymores haven't been mentioned yet. IIRC, that happens fairly early.) I wonder if the early, male Claymores may have let their sex drives get them in trouble(since they were combined with whatever thoughts nd instincts the youma have on the dubject), which led to them becoming AB in the first place, resulting in the female Claymores being raised to look down on the act and things connected to it.
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[personal profile] octopedingenue 2008-11-07 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
I'm thinking less of the one character than an overall combination of implications...I'm going to be vague and allusive 'cause I'm sure my full Thoughts On Yaoi will definitely be too spoilery, though I'm warning off [livejournal.com profile] oyceter from this bit anyway since I can't remember where volume 8 ends: I agree with the interpretation that the male Claymores' sex drives sent them over the edge, which is itself problematic for me: sexuality is dangerous and must be controlled? men can't control or are particularly bad at controlling their sex drives? women are more suited for Claymoredom because they're less physically sexual and/or better able to control themselves? Yes, Awakened!Priscilla went full on Evil Madonna/Whore (and nobody outcrazies Ophelia!), but all of the female Awakened Ones display exaggerated secondary sexual attributes and attitudes lacking in their un-Awakened counterparts. And the act of Awakening itself is described like an overwhelming full-body orgasm, a sensual overload on the extreme edge of physical pain/pleasure. Pleasure = sex = loss of control = INEVITABLE DESCENT TO EEEBIL?

Now the Iiiiiinteresting parts of this come in in seeing how much of this series is about (insert equation above here), and how much of it is in a weird way about women taking control of their bodies and physical sexuality, dancing on that Awakened razor edge between gaining power and losing themselves.


I love you so hard, Ladies With Swords series~!

"Glittering Cloud (Plague of Locusts)" by Imogen Heap has become my Unofficial Totally Official Claymore song, and if somebody awesome doesn't do a great anime vid from it I'll make the world suffer with a sucky version by me.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
*nods* I largely agree with you, and the bits where I'm not sure I do are because...well, we don't know exacly where Yagi is going with these things yet, nor have we had a "reveal" to solidify what he's doing there.

(Though maybe we should take this to one of our LJs where it's spoiler free-for-all?)
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[personal profile] octopedingenue 2008-11-07 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
I know! With all my caution I still like where Yagi's going thus far, so I'm willing to keep on this story ride for a good while yet.

(Take away! I vote your LJ 'cause I have not read past volume 13 and so could not host a full discussion yet.)

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
And, of course, some of the pertinent things I would say would be more Vol 14-15...
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[personal profile] octopedingenue 2008-11-07 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
That's why God made ROT13 (and scanslations!)

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-11-08 08:58 am (UTC)(link)
No real spoilers, but just in case. The series seems to have strong themes emotional ties at times-often as "we should not want them, but we crave them"-especially between the Claymores. Sophia and Noel seem to have been very close, Helen and Deneve are my OTP obviously close, and there's also Clare's friend from the first volume. I tend to read it as they want the emotional closeness, but are trained to act like they don't. That said...I can't really picture any of them being "interested" in someone as we would interpret romantic interest, which is why that one bit with Raki seems so odd. OTOH, Clare has less Youma blood than the rest, so that could be a factor.
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2008-11-07 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Have you read Angel Densetsu? It's the mangaka's first series, and at the start of it he could barely draw bodies. His art improves dramatically as the series goes on, but even the start of Claymore (I never got past volume 1) is markedly better than at the end of Angel Densetsu.

(It's an interesting read: gentle boy gets a rep in his high school for being a badass mofo because of his scary face. Kinda repetitious in the last third, but it wraps up surprisingly well, and has a couple of literally kick-ass female characters. Unlicensed, but scans are complete.)

---L.

[identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 07:23 am (UTC)(link)
re nude shots: I gather that the English translation may be censored? I believe it's just less anatomical detail in the nude shots, especially of the underage characters, although I'd like to hear from anyone who has read it in original or scanlated form to know if we have lost anything plot-relevant.

[identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com 2008-11-07 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
I've been reading scans/buying Viz releases both since Vol 11 (as much as Viz had released when I caught up with their releases). But based on the few overlapping volumes I've read and some scans of earlier chapters (and given what they did show in earlier chapters here) I don't think there's been much, if any, censoring, and I can think of a couple cases where I've seen both versions where I'd think they'd have censored if they were going to.
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[personal profile] octopedingenue 2008-11-07 01:00 pm (UTC)(link)
There's at least a note in volume 2 of the Viz edition that reads "Some scenes containing nudity have been modified from the original Japanese edition." But yeah, I don't think there was much lurid material to cover up to begin with; the nudity in Claymore has rarely been particularly sexual.