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I really didn't want to go back to my apartment and have to deal with the now-empty rat cage and assorted paraphernalia, so to put it off, CB and I crashed his friend's place and did a 7-episode Game of Thrones marathon.

Spoilers for both the show AND all books

We've now hit the part where I only vaguely remember what happens in the books. As in, prior to reading recaps while watching the first two seasons of GoT, I had completely forgotten that Jaime's hand gets cut off.

Also, after watching these episodes, I can figure out why I have mostly forgotten the book plot points! The narratives have now gotten so disparate and separate that it's hard for me to keep track of the story threads, and none of them save Daenerys' and the King's Landing plots seem to be going anywhere specific. (Obviously the Robb plot is going somewhere, but it doesn't feel like it.)

While Daenerys pulling a switcheroo on Astapor and freeing the Unsullied was cool in terms of Daenerys' character growth, it just keeps going back to What These People Need Is a Honky. Sigh. The speech Grey Worm gives about how he's keeping this name because it's what he was called when Daenerys Stormborn freed him was particularly irksome. I also hate that it's the Westerosi leading all the Essosian (? what do you call them) people, as of course Ser Jorah and Ser Barristan are the advisors we see most of. Their little spat over how to serve Daenerys best was annoying and paternalistic, though at least Jorah made some mention of, you know, maybe going along with what Daenerys herself wanted. And Missandei's earlier clothes were terrible.

And, since I'm keeping track, the first sexposition scene takes place about ten minutes into the first episode. Oh HBO. Why? And the entire thing with Podrick is so gratuitous, especially with Tyrion introducing the various prostitutes! At least this season, there's more male nudity, with a full frontal from Loras' lover/Littlefinger's spy, and bare chests from several of the men. So far, there have been (iirc) three threats of rape made to men. I didn't count how many were made to women. I also hate how various people toss around "cunt" as an insult. On the plus side, at least we've gotten a few sex scenes that have been there for ostensible character development/relationship development (Jon/Ygritte, Talisa/Robb). That said, the ratio of male to female nudity even in those scenes is heavily weighted to naked women, and even better, we get some random Wildling acting possessive over Ygritte.

I don't really buy either of the romances, which is too bad, since a major plot point hinges on Talisa/Robb. Ygritte/Jon work a little better, though I'm not convinced of how quickly Ygritte falls for Jon. I do like that he's the virgin and she's not.

I feel kind of bad because I'm not over the moon about the Jaime/Brienne scenes, though to be honest, I wasn't a huge fan of them in the books as well. I am resigned to Jaime's redemption arc, and I do like the actor a lot. And I like Brienne a great deal. But ack, all the rape threats! Maybe I will like them better now that Jaime actually went back for her.

Similarly, while I like the actress for Arya a lot, I feel she's been given much less to do here. I'm hoping this will improve now that she's stuck with the Hound, especially since her scenes with Tywin last season were so great.

Tywin continues to be one of my favorite characters to watch because he is so unapologetically dreadful but also effective. That, and I want his boots. He gets the best clothes. And I feel everyone had been waiting for his smackdown of Joffrey for forever.

My other favorite characters to watch are Lady Olenna and Margaery. Olenna versus Tywin was incredibly awesome, and watching Margaery wrap Joffrey around her little finger is similarly amusing. She's so good at lying with that straight face! I particularly love it when she claims she's just a simple girl, no knowledge of politics at all. I also like that Cersei comments about Margaery's clothing being a weapon of sorts; it at least makes all the cleavage more palatable.

Sansa, alas, is still much more naive that is good for her. There have been some excellent scenes of awkward in this season so far, from Tyrion having to tell Sansa and Shae about his marriage to Sansa to Sansa gushing at Loras to Edmure failing to light his father's pyre. I am sad they didn't actually film the entire conversation with Tyrion, Sansa, and Shae, because I'm pretty sure it would be hilarious. Also, I don't think Margaery is manipulating Sansa quite as much as she is manipulating Joffrey, and I do think she and her grandmother want the best for Sansa... as long as it helps them as well.

And oh Tyrion. You are still pleasant to watch right now, but I am bracing myself for what happens later. I really hope they aren't going to go with Shae betraying him with Tywin, because EW. Also, all the scenes of Tyrion professing his love to Shae just make me roll my eyes. I really don't buy anyone in this series in love, except Jaime and Cersei, ha!

I was also spoiling myself for everything, so I knew about Ros' death, but still. UGH. Really, HBO? She's an original character, so you can't say you were just following the book, and that last shot was so horribly gratuitous! And not only did you have to show her like that, you had to show her breast as well? Gross.

Also gross: all the Theon scenes. I hate Theon, but seriously, I don't want to watch anyone being tortured so much. And then when there were naked women plus torture? GROSS TIMES INFINITY.

Varys, I like you and wish you'd pop up more.

Stannis continues to be so boring that I forget what he looks like all the time. I did love the scene with his daughter and Davos though.

I also have completely forgotten what happens with Melisandre and Gendry, but I'm pretty sure any mention of your blood being powerful is a sign of DOOM. Then again, pretty much everything in this show is a sign of DOOM.

CB, his friend, and I were joking that Hot Pie probably has the happiest ending of anyone so far... so of course, his bakery is probably going to be lit on fire and him killed five minutes later.

Oh right, Bran. Bran, I'm sorry, but you totally bored me in the books and you bore me only slightly less here. That said, the actor is much bigger now! That was weird. I also like the person playing Meera for reasons unbeknownst to me, and I really liked her scenes with Osha. I still don't know why the hell Osha is helping the Stark kids out, except of course she is a Wildling and therefore her narrative is subsumed by Bran's.

I'm good with any and all spoilers, so 'ware spoilers in the comments as well!

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Tue, May. 21st, 2013 12:38 am (UTC)
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I am still hoping against hope that they're just going to change the entire Tyrion-Shae plotline so that she just decides she has HAD IT UP TO HERE WITH WESTEROS AS A WHOLE and blows this popsicle stand for good and all. Then Tyrion's book-long whinge about "where do whores go?" can be his search for Shae, and the thing is, in terms of the plot as a whole, it would be EXACTLY THE SAME, with 100% less gratuitous violence against women!

Except of course that means it would have 100% less gratuitous violence against women so clearly HBO will never do it that way.

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Tue, May. 21st, 2013 09:50 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] marina
While I don't think it's "HBO" so much as "this show", I absolutely agree that Shae's storyline will be played for as much disgusting misogyny and violence against women as they can squeeze out of it.

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Tue, May. 21st, 2013 03:07 am (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] laceblade
I think the reason you don't remember the Gendry thing is b/c in the books it's a different bastard of Robert's, & in the show they didn't want to introduce yet another character.


I love Meera Reed, I think she might be my second-favorite character??

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Tue, May. 21st, 2013 11:56 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] shewhohashope
Edric is only 13 in the books, therefore Mel doesn't sexually torture him at all. They leech him while he's ill, so presumably he doesn't suspect his blood being used for nefarious purposes.

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Wed, May. 22nd, 2013 07:28 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] shewhohashope
Sorry for the spoiler! I don't keep track of episode numbers very well.

OH GOD. Don't get me started on what they did to my Selyse. Obviously she is obsessed with baby boys and has no regard for her daughter (who she's very protective of in the books). Both her and Stannis are pretty vocal about protecting their daughter's inheritance. She's their only heir, and while they both want a son, they don't lock her away and refuse to acknowledge her!!

I'm just mad about everything they are doing with the Stannis/Selyse/Davos/Melisande storyline. It's a tough time for team Dragonstone on Game of Thrones.

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Tue, May. 21st, 2013 09:09 am (UTC)
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It only occurred to me today that many of the guys who make Game of Thrones have probably never seen women who haven't depilated all their non-head hair. The show probably doesn't look weird to people under 35 who work in TV and movies.

Is there an in-canon reason why Theon is being tortured? Iwan Rheon is not making any sense in his role as creepy violent torturer.

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Tue, May. 21st, 2013 11:54 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] shewhohashope
the on should not be tortured onscreen. We only hear about it later in the books.

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Tue, May. 21st, 2013 12:51 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [personal profile] buymeaclue
I also have completely forgotten what happens with Melisandre and Gendry, but I'm pretty sure any mention of your blood being powerful is a sign of DOOM

I haven't watched barely any of the series and I'm a book or two behind (and will probably not catch up; at this point I'd have to go back and reread the early ones to remember what the hell is going on and that is just such an investment of time/energy!), so possibly there was a resolution to the Gendry storylet that I never saw...

...but I always liked that kid, and I was amazed that he got as far as I read into the series without getting dead given the number of times they were all, YOU LOOK JUST LIKE...

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